Evolutionists & Atheists..a question for you all?

Question

This question is for evolutionists and atheists...if the earth started from a tiny piece of dust, where did that dust come from? If humans started from animals and those animals started from tiny organisms, then where did those organisms come from? If those two things came from even smaller things, then where did those smaller things come from? You see, you really have no arguement here because you can't possibly answer this and tell me that those things came from something else and so on.. because no matter how far back they go they would have had to start somewhere and they can't start somewhere without a creator. So really, what do you have to say to that?

Take a look at my the first answer I got... I think I rest my case. You can't even argue with this and the ones who are arguing are just making up crap to prove wrong what is true.

Redhotchilipepper: Then where did those chemicals come from that supposedly started evolution?

I'm getting alot of "I don't know" answers here...lol

Answer 1

I don't know and that's ok. Just because there is an unknown doesn't mean "god did it". This is one of the biggest mistakes theists make. People didn't used to know what caused lightning and thunder so they said "god did it". Of course we now know that that isn't true.

"because no matter how far back they go they would have had to start somewhere"

Not necessarily. We can say that all matter has always existed. That's what you say about your god, right? That he has always existed, that is why he didn't need to be created. Well, I could say that all of the matter in the universe has always existed. It makes more sense than what you believe because we have PROOF that matter exists, we don't have proof that god exists.

Also, the big bang and evolutionary theories are two separate theories. You make the mistake in your question by assuming it's all one theory.

"I'm getting alot of "I don't know" answers here...lol"

That's the same answer you have. "God did it" is the theists way of saying "I don't know".

Answer 2

First of all the earth didn't start from any "tiny piece of dust". In fact, it orginated from a giant cloud of dust and gas, which was all drawn together by gravity to form a planet. Life, on the other hand, originated from amino acids which formed from plausible pre-biotic conditions on our planet.

However, that being said, that doesn't disprove your point, which, basically summed up says that everything has to come from a creator because we can't explain how everything came to be so long ago, how matter came into existence and so forth. Therefore, something must have created it.

BUT, is it also not possible that it was just there forever? That time existed since forever? That EVERYTHING was just there? After all, in our current system of physics, no matter can be created or destroyed, so why couldn't that have been the rule at the very beginning (if there was one at all?) So W\why does anything have to have a creator?

Let me make an analogy: People "create" things whenever they reform matter, like building schools or make babies, by a conscious will or action. We want to build a school or make a baby (or at least have sex, a conscious action). On the other hand though, what about mountains or rivers or volcanoes? Those are not consciously "created", but are only a result of naturally occuring forces. They have no reason for being, no creator to speak of.

I'm not discounting your point at all. It is a valid question. But there are more possible answers than "there must be a creator". And just to let you know, I'm not a rabid atheist or evolutionist. I'm an agnostic. So just to make sure you know I'm not just trying to shut you down, I'll say with some conviction:

God bless you.

Good luck in looking for you answer and I hope you actually read this.

Answer 3

As for the first part of your question, we simply don't know. However, simply because something is unknown does not mean that it is unknowable. At this point in time we simply lack the knowledge base and technology to know answers to certain questions about the origin of the universe.

Aside: I see that you're being critical of the "I don't know answers." Why? Science has never presumed to know everything. There is no shame in not knowing something. By your token, it seems that you would be critical of the scientists who are trying to cure cancer because they don't already know how to do it. The fact is that science is largely about not knowing. That is the impetus to work and research and try new techniques and technologies. It all starts with the statement "I don't know."

As for the second part of your question, I would tell you to look up the Miller-Urey experiments of the 1950's. They are by no means perfect, but they do give us some very interesting information. In short, they found that under the right conditions organic compounds can be created from inorganic source material. Let me restate that: Under the right conditions organic compounds can be created from inorganic source material. What are those conditions? Similar to what we think the surface of the primeval Earth. Are these experiments conclusive? Certainly not, but they do provide a tremendous amount of food for thought.

Your statement that "they can't start somewhere without a creator" is a matter of opinion. If it is true that a watch is complex, and so requires a creator, and the watchmaker is even more complex, and so requires a greater creator, and the universe is so complex to certainly require a creator, then we are left with one nagging question: Who created the creator? The pat answer is that "He is the alpha and the omega. He has always been," but that goes right against your constant assertions that "something can't come from nothing." So, which is it? It seems to me that the whole "Alpha/Omega" argument is just the faithful way of saying "I don't know," which, as we have discussed, is a perfectly valid answer. Why not just say it?

Answer 4

What do I have to say to that?

What I have to say is this: Not everything is answerable with human's limited knowledge of the universe and beyond. The only answer you have is "god did it" and theres no way you can prove thats true either. Its just an excuse people use when they can't use logic to answer a question.
Kind of like how the myths about mermaids and dragons came about from sea otters and huge lizards that people had never seen before. People make up things in their minds to rationalize that which they do not or cannot understand and comprehend. Thats just how humans are.

However, I will not sit and bash YOUR religion because I will not stoop so low as to sit and tell you that you are wrong, despite the fact that you wouldn't hesitate to do so to me.
You may be right, you may be wrong, honestly I could care less what anyone else thinks. I all I know and care about it what I believe.
Religion is a personal thing and no one should blindly follow another's religion or lack thereof. Each person should search and find their own beliefs, no matter what they may be.

Answer 5

*sigh* you have a lot to learn and I don't have the time to teach you here, but if you're serious and want the answers, you will find them through the study of several branches of science. They're not easy answers and they take a long time to learn and understand to see how it all fits together, but once you have the information and look at it critically, you will have all your answers. First of all the Earth did not grow from a single tiny piece of dust (research stellar evolution and solar system formation). Humans did not start as animals. Life began a very long time ago and slowly evolved into what we see today (evolution had been a concept for 150 years and never been disproven - regardless of what Creationists will have you believe). Life exists because all the criteria for life to begin were present in Earth's ancient history. People much smarter than me can explain this to you if you really care.

Bottom line, with science you have to work to gain the answers, and work hard. It's not a simple as "because God created it that way"

Answer 6

You cant explain where anything came from either, your argument that a creator must have been present is flawed when people ask where the creator comes from. Who creator the creator?
I’ve asked this many times to religious people and get answers such as, god is in a different plane of existence, god exists outside of time and space etc.
Religious people have a problem imagining any notion of infinity so they seek to blot out the question with a God answer that you don’t let any one refute.
There is a school of thought that the universe is a cyclical existence. That is to say when we believe everything started as a big bang, this could merely be a crux in the cycle of existence. When one existence ends it could arise in the reverse trave of time and an ultimate backwards big bang, which leads to an outflow of another universe, with seemingly endless permiatations we can realize that there does not have to be a clear cut beginning and end of existence, only a measurable existence of the universe we live in.
Also a key point to your argument is that you have to ‘go back’ to a point where existence began. You seem to try and limit the universe to, at the most, 4 dimensions. With many people mistaking the 4th dimension for time alone, this is not so. What we perceive as time may only be one controlled passage through the 4th dimension. Seeing as a three dimensional construct cannot possible seek to understand things out of its dimension it is futile to try and limit our thinking to what we can perceive and control in our physical environment when the influences of other dimensions can still be seen.

Where did the first spec of something come from? There is no ‘atheist’ answer to a religious question except that it is not logical to confine real questions with religious beliefs such as creation of the universe.

Answer 7

I have one question for you... Where did God come from? You could never answer that.
As far as the planet and organisms. It is a fact that certain metals and such can grow, and it is a fact that organisms change through adaptation and mutation. There is a lot more validity to that argument than the God created it all, because there is no other explanation. Kind of like when the Greeks had a God to explain everything. I love it how history just keeps repeating itself, people just do not learn.

Kind of like my brother, who falls for every get rich scam he comes across. You would think after the first two he would be a little More hesitant.

Answer 8

Okay, I can't resist playing Devil's Advocate here (though I'm of one of the Christian standards of religion). It's fine to be strong in one's religion/theories, it's another thing to try tearing at someone else's religion/theories... especially when you don't even know your own. If you show respect to others ideas, they will give yours respect in return. It's that commonly referred to Golden Rule that is referred to that I'm sure you have heard of. If you don't show respect, you won't get it... thus the following.

Where did God* exist before he made everything (space, Earth, the whole 6-days of creation action)?
What is perfection? Along with that, what is Heaven like? ('Perfect' is an ambiguous term, btw.)
If you follow the Christian religion, did Jesus actually exist or not "in the beginning"?
Where does it say that a day is 24 hours in Genesis? How long actually were the 6-days of creation in Genesis?
Where does God* come from? How does God* exist?

*God, Goddess, the/a creator

Ignoring just the issues involving the beginning of the world/universe, there are other questionable commands/issues/ideas translated in the Bible/Torah that seem to be ignored by those who follow it word-to-word. For example:
http://www.evilbible.com/evils%20of%20the%20torah.htm
http://www.themodernreligion.com/comparative/christ/bible_deathsentence.htm
http://www.islamawareness.net/Adam/fault.html
http://www.christianity.co.nz/science7.htm

When it comes down to it, every theory/religion has its limitations. No one can say what happened for certain at the start of the world because that time line was out of reach for humans to experience - something that almost everything agrees on amazingly... Evolutionists/Atheists, Christians, etc.

Those who wish to question other people's reasons for the world must learn to face the questions and irregularities in their own religion/reasoning first.

(As was said by others, you need to recheck up your definitions of Evolution and Atheism, especially evolution. You are confusing it with other scientific theories.)

As also been said already, just because you say one thing (Evolution/Atheism) is wrong, doesn't mean your own idea is right. That's like saying because I had a can of Coke today, elephants won't run me over. Please take a science class, even if it is a religious based one and learn proper scientific theory. Even they understand how to conduct a proper argument.

Answer 9

Let us first clear up one misconception. Not all evolutionists are atheists. In fact a vast majority of evolutionists believe in a Creator. I am an evolutionist but I firmly believe that evolution was, is, and will continue to be a tool of a Creator God. I like the idea of the Creator as a craftsman who took billions of years to get us to where we are. I also believe that He isn't finished with creation, that it goes on. We humans are such imperfect creatures, I have to believe that He is still working on us. The more you understand the complexities of our world, the more wonderful and amazing our Creator becomes.

Answer 10

I agree with the beliefs behind your question but would offer a word of warning. If we say that the answer to all questions we can't otherwise answer is 'God', but then a physical answer becomes available at a later stage then we are, in effect, making God smaller because we no longer need him as the answer.
By all means use science to back-up and support creationist and ID beliefs but our God is too big to need defending.
Just tell people of your experience of God through Jesus without putting them down:
"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect ..." 1 Peter 3:15
then leave the rest, prayerfully, to the Holy Spirit.