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Is it alcoholic or non I want to see how much you know in the Bible John 2: 1-10 Could wine be juice see also Isaiah 16:10

2006-07-10 05:05:54 · 29 answers · asked by lilbaptistdave 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Yes, wine is a catch-all term to describe the juice of the most important crop in ancient Israel. Grapes just squeezed, as in Isaiah, naturally would not be fermented, thus not have the alcolholic content of old wine.

Jesus used new wine and old wine as a metaphor for the coming of the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 9, Luke 5). Still, we know that throughout the Bible, there are passages where people get drunk with wine (as in John 2). So both new and old wine, or grape juice and the alcoholic beverage, were available in Biblical times as they are today.

As to whether the miracle of Cana where Jesus turned water into wine which you refer to in Johin 2 is the grape juice (since he just turned it into wine) or the fermented version (which would be an even more impressive miracle which perhaps the master of the feast tasted and exclaimed that it was the "good wine" saved after the "guests have well drunk", we will never know for sure.

What matters is that Jesus did do his first miracle there. Further, we as Christians are instructed to not get drunk with wine, but rather to be filled with the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 5:18). Jesus never was drunk since we are told not to get drunk and Jesus never sinned. Finally, what matters is that we be follow Jesus' example and allow him to fill our lives and control us.

We are to follow Jesus' example in the only way possible for us since we are inclined to sin: we are to be filled with the Holy Spirit. I don't drink wine (alcohol) myself because I don't like it and I want to follow Jesus' example and the Scriptures command to not get drunk. But I don't judge those who drink and don't show signs of being drunk since God is their judge. I just encourage my Christian brothers and sisters to not be drunk with wine or any other alcoholic beverage, but rather be filled with the Holy Spirit.

2006-07-10 05:35:27 · answer #1 · answered by justcuriouslikegeorge 5 · 2 2

What many people don’t know is that the word “wine” in the Bible is a generic term. The context (words before and after the word wine) in each case indicates whether it was fermented or not.

In, Isaiah 16:10b, grape juice is called “wine” (yayin) when it is still in the press, saying, "No treaders will tread out wine in the presses" where it clearly cannot be fermented yet.

We find the story in, John 2:1-11, in the New Testament.

The person in charge of the wedding, after he had tasted the wine Jesus had just made, commented…”you have kept the good wine until now.” Good wine was fresh grape juice, the fermented grape juice was considered inferior.

Proverbs 23:31-32 - Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingethlike an adder.

So most likely, Jesus did NOT make a fermented wine at this wedding, but rather He gave a wedding gift of at least 120 gallons of fresh unfermented grape juice.

And yes, it is STILL a miracle to turn water into Grape Juice. Can you do it simply by your will and not adding anything to the water??

EDITTED: Matthew 9:17 -Neither do men put new wine into old bottles:else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

The above verse is taking about when "new wine" is made by heat. This liquid was NOT kept in skins. People had bottles of glass and pottery in those days. Pouring a hot liquid into an old bottle will shatter it. Remember "wine" is a generic term.

And yes, there was alcoholic and ferminted drink during the times of the Bible, and not all water was impure to drink.

2006-07-10 12:08:32 · answer #2 · answered by Raynanne 5 · 0 2

Wine is wine. In Isaiah 16:10, the Hebrew word used is "yayin" (sounds a lot like "wine," doesn't it?) This means "to effervesce or ferment." Conversely, the Bible refers to unfermented grape juice as "new wine," or "tiyrowsh," meaning "freshly pressed wine."

Think of Matthew 9:17. When "new wine" (juice) begins to ferment, it stretches the wine skin that holds it; if the wine skin is old and already stretched as far as it can go, once the fermentation process advances, the skin will burst -- because there's no pliability left. The Greek word used here for wine is "oinos," meaning a fermented product; however, the "new wine" is called "oinos neos," and is obviously a different product than regular "oinos."

The substance referred to in John 2:1-10 is not "new wine," (oinos neos) it's "wine" (oinos). So it was not grape juice served at the wedding in Cana -- it was fermented wine.

2006-07-10 12:16:42 · answer #3 · answered by Suzanne: YPA 7 · 2 0

wine

"ALCOHOL IS A SIN"

It is not. In Psalm 104: 14-15, King David writes that God gave us wine in order to "gladden the heart of man." In Matthew 11:19, Christ makes the point that his enemies called him a drunkard because he drank wine with the party animals of his day. And, of course, at the beginning of Christ's ministry, his first miracle was the turning of water into wine, and his last act before being crucified was to share bread and wine with his followers, what we call the "last supper." If Christ was God, as the Bible claims, then God drinks alcohol - enough to be called a drunkard by his detractors.

Faced with this, some Fundamentalists will go so far as to claim that the "wine" Christ drunk was merely grape juice, that it contained no alcohol. If they say this to you, ask them why on earth, then, would the religious people of Christ's day call him a drunkard for merely drinking juice?

2006-07-10 12:11:59 · answer #4 · answered by brianna_the_angel777 4 · 0 0

In the Bible =

Wine is the juice from Crushed Grapes.

Wine can also be be fresh juice == Fresh Wine. (Hard to keep) (( as made by Jesus at the request of his earthly mother))
or
It can be fermented and thereby containing over 10 up to possibly 13% alcohol Volume in Volume. ((See story of two daughters getting dad smashed!)

I used to be a professional wine maker and knew many WINE GROWERS. ( Grapes can be called wine too)

2006-07-10 12:16:21 · answer #5 · answered by whynotaskdon 7 · 0 0

wine is wine. in fact, back in the day, water was often unsafe to drink. alcoholic beverages were preferable because they didn't kill you.

it is only the protestant religions that have decided that alcohol is bad and have tried to convince people to think they are actually talking about juice--why not go to the churches that have been around the longest and see what they say/use--as in the orthodox church and the catholic church. and yes they both are fine with wine.

it's like when you play telephone, the longer the line is that the story goes through, the more messed up the story gets.

2006-07-10 12:24:28 · answer #6 · answered by azureradiation 1 · 1 0

why would you associate the word 'drunk' and from 'wine' if it was nonalcoholic? Eph 5:18 And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit.
the high priests called Jesus a drunkard, how do you get drunk from grape juice? and....
drinking one glass of wine a day is healthy. 1 tim. 5:23 No longer drink water exclusively, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.

2006-07-10 12:12:48 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Alcoholic

2006-07-10 12:08:29 · answer #8 · answered by St Lusakan 3 · 0 0

There is no such thing as a "Biblical" definition of wine. What
there IS are concordances, which traces any (any) word in the Bible back to it's root/root meaning- that is as close to a definition as you'll get. And you'll have your answer, trust me on this one.

Just be sober when you do it.

2006-07-10 12:10:06 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

When the bible refers to this scripture, it is trying to tell you that strong drink should not be taken in by kings because of the effect it will have on his being able to make rational decisions. It also states to give man strong drink so that the man who is about to perish (die) and to the man who has a heavy heart will "forget his poverty, and misery no more". Use this scripture wisely and remember drunkenness is an abomination to the lord. Walk in peace.

2006-07-10 12:23:15 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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