How did the universe begin? An extension of a previous question, in response to answers received.?

Question

That the universe has always existed, or is looping, is no answer. I used the big bang, or a start to the universe, as a conversation starter. The question remains unanswered, at least secularly. There has to be some independent existence, something that creates and was not created, something that was before. And to ask where God began evades the question. Both space and time came into existence with the creation of the universe. The creator of this universe is outside of the universe and therefore outside of time and space. I do not say this as if it were obvious or even completely understandable. But, it is logical. It is simply not possible to go back to a point where there was nothing. The universe cannot and could not bring itself into being.

Answer 1

I totally don't think that an imaginary character created it all. Out side of that, who cares! Live your life to its fullest. Love those around you and be the best person you can be.

Answer 2

You are correct that it isn't possible to go back to a point where ther is nothing, and that's exactly what the math of the big bang shows.

If it were possible to travel backward in time toward the singularity, you would never actually reach it, even though the universe is finite in age. This seems like a paradox, until you realize the statements are made from different perspectives, and further realize that time is relative to the observer.

That said, people are uncomfortable with the idea that the universe is finite from some perspective, and so they are trying to delve deeper. Hawking seems to be inclined toward the idea of complex time at the moment, where ther is hypothesized to exist a perpendicular time dimension that is boundless. The analogy is North on a globe. You can only go so far North, even though the earth does not end at the north pole, because it's a sphere.

Answer 3

I may be wrong, but perhaps you are confusing space and universe which are two entirely different concepts. Space itself must always exist and has always existed, since there must be space for mass to occupy it, whether it's before or after occupation, be it solid, gas, or liquid. These elements are what are currently contained in the universe itself. From here we can deduce that space, being infinite and having no timeline, suffered some type of phenomena (The Big Bang) brought on by natural means? A supreme being's will? Or some other unknown force? Perhaps I'm veering in the wrong direction but even if there was nothingness before anything, that is still space. Space IS nothingness.

Answer 4

You are in a logical loop, and a theistic detour. First, you are holding the laws of cause and effect as a solid fact. "There has to be some independent existence...something that was before." Oh yeah? Why? Cause and effect? If something "was before" in time, it would be part of the universe, and NOT independent. Time is an intrinsic part of the universe. THEREFOR there is nothing before. The universe has to have come from a non-cause-and-effect beginning. The laws of physics that we currently observe and give us a consistent cause and effect trend are not necessarily the same as when time began. We can observe places in our universe where time is not consistent (wormholes, black holes) so it is totally concievable. Do you know how many dimensions there are? Do you know about string theory and super-planes? Physics will give you a much more accurate cosmology than any religion.

Answer 5

the tremendous Bang is what befell on the on the spot AFTER the universe began. It does not describe the universe actual beginning. The clinical community has examined and accepts the tremendous Bang, and the idea can't be truly challenged (except for changes mutually with Alan Guth's theory of inflation). even if God is in touch is a seperate philosophical question, inspite of the actuality that in my opinion i do not imagine he become or exists. the tremendous Bang does not say the universe "got here from not something". God and the tremendous Bang do not might want to be in compeitition (till you've a literal interpretation of Genesis).

Answer 6

My explanation of "how" the Universe came into being is this...
Before "God" i.e. Order, there was Chaos...Chaos was the first "god". Out of Chaos came Order, "God". Now God brings Order to all things...time, space, the Universe...but Order is Superior to time, space, the Universe because of the fact that it is Order that created all things. Chaos must be balanced with Order...just as some people say you don't know black until you see white, that's how this philosophy goes.
But as with all things, this is just my opinion...nothing really factual behind it, just me thinking. Hope it helps.

Answer 7

I will answer with queations.

What is the purpose of the Universe?
Is there a creator of it?
Some say the universe is created by the creator as the dwelling place of his children, the numerous men & women!

Therefore, let's examine man first, and after understanding man & his creator, then we can understand the purpose of the universe, and then we will realize the beginning.!

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Answer 8

I respectfully beg to differ. I am not suggesting that this is the ultimate answer to your question, but if you accept the concept of infinity, then the universe could have had no beginning and could have no end. This suggested concept does not preclude the "big bang from having occurred at some time.

Answer 9

space and time came into existance so long before we can imagine, it may as well be considered eternal.

Answer 10

the creator is that nothing...the infinite...the eternal...YHWH Elohim...the creator is not an ultimate been, he is the value of Zero...it is beyond comprehention for our minds...since we understand things mostly by setting their limits, so that ultimate oneness, eternal and infinite...is totally abstract to us! Cool!