Question for Christians (well, the crazy right-winged maniac christians anyways)?

Question

I'm a gay atheist, but I totally respect Christianity and their beliefs and everything. I mean, all my closest friends are Christian and I love and respect them.

But why does it seem like the radical right just wants to shove their beliefs down everyone's throats? Okay, you're christian and proud, I got it. Good for you, I mean that whole-heartedly. So why do my rights have to be taken away? I may be an atheist, but that doesn't mean I'm immoral or that I'm a bad person.

If you're a christian who is againt abortion or gay marriage, why?

We just want to live like everyone else. We just want the same rights. I love you guys, but it's getting harder and harder to respect you all when all of you are getting together just to make me a second-class citizen. I mean what am I supposed to think?

Answer 1

While some of these people are just hateful and wrong in their approach, I think many are just trying to help you. And in their zeal they come across as demeaning to you.

Answer 2

First of all we're not trying to impose anything on anyone. You say we're taking your rights away but you won't tell us which rights you're talking about. If you meant the right to gay marriage, I must point out that we can not take away a right you never had. It's not like the right to an abortion which has been granted. unfortunately the exercise of that right negates the rights of the helpless and voiceless unborn. That is essentially our problem with the law that has allowed the killing of almost 50 million human fetuses to date. Our faith compels us to defend them. Many people don't like us because of that. That's alright with us. We know that life is not a popularity contest.

In european countries that have allowed same sex marriages, those laws have been passed with the approval of a majority of the voting public. Here in America, the public routinely votes against it, but gay activist keep trying to thwart the will of the people by having judges write the laws. This strong arming naturally wins them many enemies among the very people that must be won over if you are ever to get what you want.

And you're right, being an athiest does not make you a bad person necessarily. Even the apostal Paul noted that there would be heathens in heaven. I'm sure we'll find some former athieists there as well. I personally know two who are as deserving as most Christians that I have met. Our problem with athieism is that it is a pretty arrogant position for beings of our limited intelligence to presume to plumb the depths of creation and know it to be Godless. Agnosticism is a more defensible position to take. It is more honest. You can't blame someone who answers, I don't know.

Then there are the athieists who would tear down any monument that contains any religious symbolism, particularly crosses., or try to water down Christmas and other displays of faith. This brand of secularism is no less than an attack on our way of life. We would be fools if we didn't fight back. We have with the Bush administration and will continue to with future conservatives.

Being gay doesn't make you a second class citizen, except maybe in the third world, but it does place you in the minority world wide. Only 7-10% of the population is gay. While you have every right to demand you be not abused for it, you can not demand that any culture change its traditions to appease a special interest group.

Answer 3

An active homosexual lifestyle is not a healthy one. Abortion is not healthy for the baby or the mother. Neither one help society. Society is full of laws and limits. Should we think that someone hates us because they won't allow us to use dangerous drugs, or murder the guy down the street because he drives slower than we do? Laws and social mores are there for our protection and for the protection of society.
There are lots of limits on who can and cannot marry: brothers to sisters, people and animals, adults and minors, and people of the same sex. That doesn't make any of those people second-class citizens. Marriage is for the protection of mothers and children, if we cheapen it kids will have the most to loose.
And abortion - how can you be for killing an innocent baby that has committed no crime? As soon as an egg is fertilized it is a separate and distinct person from the mother - different DNA and half the time a different sex. The only difference between a baby in the womb and any of us is location (in the womb vs out of the womb) and size and maturity (is a 2 year old any less of a person than a 20 year old?).
True Christian do not hate you, but we want the best for you. We follow Jesus the best we can, but we still aren't perfect, and won't be until we get to heaven. There are a lot of people who claim to be Christians and are not (Like that a** preacher who demonstrates with his assets and their hateful signs about homosexuals).
If you truely respected Christians you would not be trying to destroy our institution of marriage or hide our faith in a dark room.

Answer 4

I am a radical right -wing bible-believing maniac of a Christian. I'll be the second to admit it (the first person being whomever I am talking to). So I guess that qualifies me to answer your question.

Why do we want to shove our beliefs down everyones throats? Would you belive because we love you and we love God? Essentially, if you are not a Christian, you might as well be standing in front of a government fireing squad in irons and no chance of escape. The good news is that there is someone willing to take the bullet for you. His name is Jesus. He takes the punishment for our sins, but if you don't repent and accept his help, you are doomed. What kind of people would we be if we didn't tell you that there was a way out?

I don't think that your sexual orientation should affect your God given rights. Despite what you claim, you are immoral, and you are a bad person, but so am I. "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." No one is perfect. We all need Jesus to save us.

I am fully opposed to abortion. Abortion is nothing short of murder, the equivalent of dropping a baby in a blender and hitting liquify. Yes, fetuses are younger than 'people' as the law defines it, they are also more dependant on their mother, but they are still human beings. They could grow to be fully functional members of society. If the mother did not want babies, tough luck. You did the nasty, you are paying for it. If you cannot keep the child for any reason, most adopting parents are looking for newborns to raise. There are other ways out, murder should never be the first option.

As for gay marriage I am fully opposed to that as well. Homosexual relations are a sin, but it is a sin that affects both you and your partner. If two homosexuals feel that they must live together as a married couple does, I have no problem with them getting the same tax breaks, but marriage is an institution created by God as the union of one man and one woman under God for the purposes of raising a family. Anything else is a perversion and a direct insult insult to God and claiming that he approves of sin. This is blaphemous and cannot be tolerated.

You want the same right? gues what, you already have them. There are listed in your countries charter. They apply to you as much as anyone else. In fact, you have more rights than christians because you have been given the right to suppress opposing speech, while christians are condemned for the same thing.

I am not going to say that all gays are the same, because that obviously isn't true. If you and another consenting adult do stuff in the privacy of your own home, we have no right to judge you, but the militant gays are the ones that have stirred up such a culture war. They fight for rights beyond what everyone else has and attempt to suppress or harm those with opposing viewpoints. These are the ones that get the most media attention, but are often portrayed as heroes and people begin to stereotype all gays as being the same way.

It is possible to love and respect someone while disagreeing with them, but it is very difficult. It is a skill everyone should learn.

Answer 5

I understand your point, however, I feel it is the other way around. I am a Christian, my children are Christian but they cannot pray in school, because a "few" people did not want that. My government cannot post the 10 commandments in a federal building because a "few" people do not want to see them.

While I agree that everyone should have the right to believe as they chose, I feel that should be 100% all the way around. Why should tolerance fall solely on the Christian? My rights as a Christian in the above statements were the rights taken away from me.

Most of what I have seen here is about Christians "shoving their beliefs on other" I cannot speak for everyone but I can say that I as a Christian do not do that. However, I do tell others what God has done for me.


I have my own views on abortion and gay marriage. While I will not voice them here, please understand that I have 2 children and was at one time faced with the thought of abortion. My feelings on that issue run much deeper than just a normal, everyday thought on abortion. And there are other factors to consider.

I would just like to say, at this point, I am a practicing, Bible believing Christian. I love God, I believe in God and I am thankful that He sent His Son to die for me, BUT, your rights as an atheist, should be no more, no less than mine. And looking from this side, it is not an even playing field for my team. I do not like to be bunched together with all the "Christians" as people here see them, not because I don't believe but because people here do not know me nor what I believe. So in that respect, I don't think I should be judged in that respect.

Answer 6

I can say the same thing about Atheists and how they're trying to take "Under God" out of everything or how they are trying to remove Christmas trees and other Christian symbols from Public display. Or how they sue over every little thing that has a Christian symbol (how they are suing so that a slain police officer will not have a cross where he died). Hypocrisy? I'd think so. Also, get this. Gay marriage passed in 11 states. Two of those states being Mass. and Oregon. Oregon happens to be the state that is the LEAST religious of them all. Not to mention it is a very BLUE state, yet the gay-marriage ban passed. So how could a state that is not very religious (not to mention has been under liberal control for 20+ years) ban gay marriage? Good luck explaining that. We are against abortion because it is basically murder. Let me ask you this: If you kick a pregnant woman in the stomach and kill her unborn child, it is murder. Yet if a doctor rips the fetus out of a woman's stomach, it is perfectly legal. In both cases, the life was lost.

Answer 7

The "Religious Right" seems to think that Morality can be legislated. They confuse the function of Government and Religion that The Founding Fathers designed into the US. Also, the same "Christian Values" they support today as Conservative and Fundamentalist were very Progressive when first proposed about 100 years ago.

There is no Historical Perspective in their movement to understand and appreciate this, though. If there were, they might be less Judgmental and show more compassion for the Human Condition. I hear each of those who Posted write this off with a trite response like "We all are Sinners" and then go on to Judge and/or Minimize any belief that contradicts theirs.

What makes this so sad is that the Jesus they claim to follow was actually very Progressive in His day or any other. For example; the Culture of Western Civilization in the First Century held women as Property, no different from cattle or land. Jesus affirmed the value independence and autonomy of women counter to every "Norm". He also took on every Religious Idea of His Culture. Yet the "Religious Right" seems to think that changing any belief held by the previous generation is a bad idea at best. I could go on, but I don't want to belabor that point.

Most of the things you hear them say are parroted back again and again until they seem true and Common Knowledge. Most of their "Common Knowledge" has no facts or very thin facts to back it up. May I illustrate?

Case1:
"We live in a Christian Nation" "The Founders were Christian" etc.
In point of fact all 6 of the Founding Fathers were Deists. Deism was seen as a dangerous heresy by the Christians of the time.

Case 2:
The Bible is against Homosexuality
In point of fact the word "homosexuality" is not found in The Bible. It first appeared in the mid 19th Century in Germany. Before this time men having an adult relationship with other men was considered as normal as the Male-Female relationship. Homosexuality is a Freudian concept that was foreign to First Century Thought and Culture. It is no longer considered a disorder except by those who fail to understand the Freud was wrong on this point.

I include an article at fordham.edu because it explains how the reputation of homosexuality became tarnished. It also addresses the misinterpretation of the common Bible passages used against it. Of course, the "Right Wing Fanatics" will dismiss this as "Liberal Propaganda" or the like because they cannot discuss this with any Integrity. The usual Appeal to the Person Logical Fallacy stands them in good stead when they can't just keep shouting until someone gets tired and gives up trying.

I hope these ideas have been helpful. There is so much more, but I’m out of both time and space. I only documented about half of my Post because of this, so please be gentle with any criticisms. It’s all out there if you care to search for it. Google is your friend :).

Answer 8

I understand feeling like Christians judge you and shove our beliefs down your throat, but the truth is we just want to share the gift God gave us with you and everyone and some Christians go about this the wrong way.

They tell you your going to hell, and your thinking who are you to judge me? When really we are all going to hell until we're saved. On the judgment day God will judge us based on the 10 commandments.

#2 says: Thou shalt not take the Lords name in vain.

I know I have done that, therefore, I'm guilty.

#5 says: Honor your father and mother.

We have all lied to our parents or disrespected them at some point so we are all guilty.

If we are judged on those commandments we are going to hell, but the gift is God sent His son so we don't have to and all we have to do is accept it.

I don't mean to give you a bible lecture, or make this really long but I just want you to understand that while some Christians will judge you, most try not to and just want to help but don't know how to do it in the right way. Like a parent disciplining his child, the child must understand what they did wrong before they can get punishment and not do it again. So some Christians are giving you the result(punishment, Hell) without telling you what you've done wrong.

I do know abortion is wrong because its murder and the 10 commandments say not to murder. Give it up for adoption if you must. And I don't believe in being gay or gay marriage. I know God only meant it to be a man and a woman and that being gay is a choice, whether it is intentional or not.

That's my take, I didn't mean to make this long, I hate reading long answers, but I can't sum up the truth in a paragraph, its so much better than that.

Answer 9

if you don't believe in God, how can you even believe that morals exist?
do not say that you are not immoral or not a bad person, if you do not even know what that means to Christians.

addressing the gay issue----- now, let's get down to the heart of the matter. do you have sexual organs? are they for other people of the same sex, or do they function with the opposite sex in mind? hmmm? when things are in proper order, they 'mesh' if you get my drift.

do you see any gay animals out there? i thought that if we evolved, we wouldn't be different than other creatures as far as sexuality goes.

i'm not here to shove stuff down your throats, i am here to tell you that if you go down that path, bad things will happen to you in the end. mark my words.

if you are an atheist, how can you believe stuff is wrong?

btw, you do have the right to be wrong. wait--- that would mean murderers are not wrong.

"your Father loves you..... you will see, before the end."

have fun while you can. just warning you.......


ps- maybe if the media wasn't so liberal, some conservatives wouldn't be trying to 'shove their beliefs' down your throat.

oh how i wish the media would get it right, for once.

Answer 10

Well, deep down inside you somewhere is a modicum of faith. GOD stated that he instilled it in every one.

Hense the words all are invited, but few are chosen.

You have sin in your life, so do I. My weakness is not homosexuality, yours is.

Ours sins are on the same level plain with GOD.
THerefore I do not believe that I am somehow better than you are by any means.

What do you mean by rights? GOD has the same gift for you as he has for me. We both have the right to accept it. You have chosen so far not to accept it, I have chosen to accept it.

I have been forgiven just for accepting it. You have not.
I walk with GOD and acknowledge my sins and you do not yet.

GOD may open your eyes one day, and then again he may not.

Morals is a man made word for doing what is right within a given culture at a given time. Abraham accepted having sex with his wife's bond servent, because at the time and place it was morally acceptable. Because the culture made it morally acceptable, did not change GODs view of it. It was sin.

SO while it may seem that I am against moral standards, I am really only against cultural standards that go against Gods word, and biblically homosexuality is a sin just like all the others found in the bible.

Do I still Love you? Yes, and I do not even know you and quite possibly never will. I love you and not your sin. I love you because the bible tells me to. It never tells me to hate anything but sin, and you are not your sin anymore than I am my sin.

And yes, I hate my own sin, but every time I fail, which is often, I take stock and get back on the narrow pathway.

Answer 11

I'm not a Christian, but Iam a follower of God's. To me abortion is ok in certain cases, but it should not be used for birth control purposes, especially when there are so many ways of preventing pregnancy on the market today. As for same sex marriage, that's between you and God and not me. Only God can judge. But God did set the standard for marriage as shown in Genesis 2:24 and Matthew 19:4-6