Is belief in Santa is as valid as religious belief?

Question

Does anyone still believe in Santa, of course not, we are told its all a lie to make us feel happy when we are young, and a reason to behave or else you wont get presents. Well with the inventors of most religions now long dead and facts about them skewed or forgotten, then are we going to be doomed to forever have people out there who retain a belief in something so ridiculous? I want answers on why belief in a god which has no proof is any different than a belief in Santa in today’s age, both things can be said to be true, and neither of them show any signs of proof today except for in shopping malls and temples. So if I believe in a god who doesn’t show himself, why shouldn’t I wait up for the jolly fat man when neither of them will show up?
Oh and by the way, dont try and say that Santa can be disproved and God's cannot, i can prove the Christian god doesnt exist by looking at some of the tree's on earth that are older than the bible says the world is........

One to many 'is's in the question, meant to say: "Is belief in Santa as valid as religious belief?" sorry

For one thing, pens don’t reproduce, so your a dumbarse if you try and get inanimate things to follow evolution. And second, count the rings on a tree. Don’t need any fancy tools for that, just the obvious fact that rings on trees correlate to an extra layer being added over a know time period. Stick to reading your children’s fairytales, leave the real thinking to people who think, not quote.

Another note, i said oldest tree's, not oldest tree. Look into Pando (or The Trembling Giant), its a clonal colony of a single male Quaking Aspen (Populus tremuloides) tree located in the U.S. state of Utah. Look into that and then see what you think

Answer 1

One of the major differences between God and Santa is that Santa was made up therefore he didn't come to anyone's house and say - hi I'm Santa. Whereas God actually sent His son to us and while He was here on Earth He said - hi I'm Jesus Christ, the son of God and I'm here to save you from your sins. Your argument would be a lot more convincing if there really was a Santa Claus at one point and he wrote all of his Christmas beliefs down in a Christmas Bible for all of us to see. :)

And by the way - if someone does come to your home and say they're Santa Claus you should be very cautious!

Answer 2

How do you know the real age of those trees first of all? Radiocarbon dating? Who's to say that's not flawed? Do you even know how it works? It works as an average of dates to give you a final answer and those dates can vary immensely. Man is flawed. Don't have too much pride in the things we can do. Belief in Santa is in no way as valid as belief in God. You need proof of God? Look around you and try to understand even the simplest thing. My guess is you won't be able to. Take an electron. How long has that been studied? And still no one knows everything about it. The electron is probably the simplest thing out there might I add. More proof? Look at the bible? Have you ever read it and actually studied it? It might answer some questions and put thought in your mind? Even more proof? OK, logic. If you find a pen, would you assume that millions of mutations happened over time to make the pen? Or is it more logical to assume it had a maker? Can you really think that everything is from nothing? Tell me when that ever works. More proof? Math. The chances of life are so mind-bogglingly impossible it's incomprehensible.

Answer 3

Umm. . actually, you can't prove God doesn't exist, and even if you could, you'd have to find another way that "looking at some of the tree's on earth that are older than the Bible says the world is . . "

First of all, how do you know how old these trees are? You don't. All "dating" methods (by which people supposedly "date" certain things to find out how old they are) are based on highly suspect fallible and unprovable assumptions.

You can't use any of the above in a proof, since unprovable and highly questionable assumptions aren't a legitimate starting point for any proof.

Answer 4

You're still a retard and you still have ignored the fundamental thesis I have here posited. The note about the bristlecone pine was only an addendum.

I am not the most versed in Christian theories about the creation, but I have heard that there is a group of people out there that believe in the so called old earth theory, which suggests that God gave forth a mature world rather than bringing forth everything from infancy, which makes perfect sense if you think about it.

Would you make a mountain out of nothing, or a mountain that existed as a mountain exists in the real world, that is as the product of specific geological forces.

Would you make a baby aspen colony, or would you bring forth a mature Aspen colony that had all of the indications of having existed for hundreds of years already.

Also, no matter what you believe about origins, there are numerous schools of thought in any sect about all kinds of different ideas. Many Christians use the idea of narrative liberty to reconcile the Genesis account with scientific claims.

You have no case bro' bra. Get some education and some real knowledge before you go out on a spare time answer service and start bolstering your ego by beating up on straw men.

Your question is so flawed that it makes me want to take a crap, if by some means I can purge myself of the philosophical sh*t that has passed into my body, or at least my awareness.

Santa Claus is a being defined by color and lights and bright suits and imaginary fun places, etc. etc. etc.

God, no matter in which God you believe, is a being of the consciousness that have specific relevance to a set of moral ideas that one deems relevant to the proper order of human existence.

If for instance, we believe that justice is good, we acknowledge that the idea of justice only has relevance with the conscious mind.

We know however that the human beings fail in their execution of justice, or mercy, or love, or whatever the concept may be.

God is a being whom one believes to execute these ideas perfectly and that with perfect power over the physical world that in its neutrality and by virtue of our own ability to manipulate and overpower the physical world we know to be inferior to the consciousness.

Santa Claus is just a big parade of colors and displays designed to appeal to our response to the physical world.

Birthday cakes are fun because they are colorful and sugary. By the same token Santa Claus is fun.

The very reason we don't believe in Santa Claus after a point is because we begin to grasp that reality and real physical and moral and psycho-emotional dynamics are at work in the world, and it is not just a matter of a big fat guy bringing you toys.

The very fact that men believe in God is a testimony to their awareness of the conscious and rational mind over the physical and fleshly being.

By the way retard, the oldest living tree is a bristlecone pine that comes in at about 4500 years of age.

Nobody in the world denies the existence of ancient cultures that certainly had presence more than 4500 years ago. Not even Christian theologians have ever suggested that the world is younger than 4500 years.

Answer 5

What do you mean, Santa's a lie? Oh, man! Who will bring me my present this Christmas?

Now more seriously, I agree with you. Believing in God is just as irrational as believing in Santa. With the only difference that a belief in Santa doesn't make you become manipulated by the power. Belief in God is much more dangerous.

Answer 6

In the end, what difference does it make? If you believe in Santa, you believe in Santa. That's unconditional. If you belive in the deity of a particular religion, then that's what you believe. Also unconditional.

Now me, I don't believe in much of anything. I don't see any point to it. But that doesn't take away from someone else's beliefs one iota. I'm not going to convince those who believe one way and they aren't going to convince me the other. I say at this point it is far more important that we all find ways to get along despite the differences in our beliefs.

Our useless infighting is self-defeating. We all have to live on this planet. It doesn't make any sense to play exclusionary politics when we all have the same needs, despite our beliefs.

Answer 7

Take a look at www.modomedia.com/quantum/100things.html. Not everyone who believes in a God they cannot see is the fool that you describe. There are some very interesting facts about dating fossils among other things.

And maybe you should also read "Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus."

Answer 8

Why do you care what others believe? Why can't you let them alone? You're just an antagonist trying to provoke an argument. Believe what you want and they'll believe what we want. This is exactly why I started the Society of New Reasoning which chooses not to argue over differing religious doctrines and focuses on good vs. evil.

Answer 9

I think it is retarded that people would choose to lie to their children about the existence of Santa yet will not tell them the truth about God's existence. SO LAME!

Answer 10

a belief in Santa Claus is just a childhood tale. Nothing to do with religion. It's just for fun. Religion is different cuz its real.

1 Timothy 4:7
Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly.