Are we victims of Man's fall from grace? Would that be true universally?

Question

If we believe in the idea that mankind fell from grace, direct communion with God, and also believe the odds favor intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, then would beings from another civilization in the vastness of space also have fallen, or still be in direct communion with God? If so, would we be a contaminating factor?

Answer 1

Yes we are victims of Man's fall from grace. It would be universally true over Man's domain. If there were other intelligent creatures in the universe, we would never meet them in this lifetime, for meeting them would extend Man's dominion over them, resulting to their fall from grace too. God would never allow that to happen. Fortunately there is a hope for Man's restoration through His Son. Until that happens, a "First Contact" would never happen.

Answer 2

The story of creation explains how God created the heavens and the earth and how the rest of creation centers on Earth. This would lead a rational person to believe that humans only exist on earth. But let's say that God created another intelligent being that He failed to mention in the book that contains the answer to everything, The Bible. I would think that the curse of Eve's sin would apply only to mankind.

Answer 3

There is no doubt in my mind that origanal sin exists in me. But you don't have to go to another planet, to find evidence of a people like us, that were not directly affected by man's fall. Look at the homo sopiens that were here for millions of years, happily, until Adam got evicted. The effect on their world was devastating. People forget that we descend from Noah. When you look at fossil evidence of man on earth, think of them as a race as foriegn to us as martians. Externally the same, but internally, much different. They suffered the most from Adam and Eve's sin. We're the fortunate ones.

Unleavened bread is a good metaphor too...

Answer 4

The world is cursed through sin from the beginning, so we have to accept Jesus Christ into our lives to free of from sin, so we will no longer be seperated from God, this world will not get any better, our only reason is to live for God and eternal life and to help people through generosity, kindness and love, and guide them to the Lord.

Answer 5

we can be saved by the grace of god if we believe in him.. and thus we read the bible and know gods word and will for us.. a lot of things here are earth are works of the devil.. basically live a moral , honest , life and do the best you can... if you have asked god to forgive you of your sins and try to live for him.. john 3 16 says whosoever believeth in me shall have everlasing life.. and i believe god will keep his promise.. one day god will come back and we will all be held accountable for our deeds here on earth.. none of us are perfect,,,no not one,,, we just must strive to do gods will and if we fall we ask god to forgive us.. there is one sin i do not think is forgivable and that is blasphemy against the holy ghost.. it also says gays and homosexuals are a abomination unto the lord...and surely they will not see the kingdom of god... one reason god destroyed sodom and gomorrah was for such sexual acts and things that they are doing today...i have spent all my life knowing god.. my dad was a baptist minister... i have failed at times to but i still have god living inside me.. you can tell a person by their spirit .. though their is decievers out there that are works of the devil....

Answer 6

There was no such fall. This Christian fairy tale is meaningless in the actual world as it truly is. Other intelligent species don't have such myths, and therefore don't suffer from such dilusional issues.

Answer 7

No. There are many other worlds. I only know what is happening here.

Answer 8

God and the extraterrestrials
Are we alone, or is there life elsewhere in the universe?
by Werner Gitt

For decades, speculation about extraterrestrial life has been boosted by tales of flying saucers and encounters with aliens. It is now being fuelled from a more serious source. In August 1996 NASA researchers claimed to have found evidence for simple life forms in a meteorite allegedly from Mars.

Since then, this ‘proof’ of life in the ‘Mars rock’ has very much lost favour among the scientific community.1 In spite of this, the two kilogram rock found in Antarctica has ignited a new surge of ‘Mars fever’. In the next 20 years, the Americans, Europeans, Japanese and Russians plan around 20 projects to explore our neighbouring planet, some 78 million kilometres away at its closest approach to us.

Meanwhile, belief in extraterrestrial intelligences continues to grow with an almost religious fervour.

The UFO wave
A series of ‘flying saucers’ caused a stir in southern England before being revealed as hoaxes, complete with sound effects from built-in batteries and loudspeakers.

Harvard University psychiatry professor John E. Mack recently attracted worldwide attention with his collection of cases of people claiming they were ‘abducted by aliens’.

There was also the release of a film alleging to be of an autopsy on an alien from a crash in New Mexico close to the U.S. Air Force Base at Roswell. The blurry footage, which most have dismissed as an obvious and crude forgery, was nevertheless the main attraction at the 1995 UFO World Congress in Düsseldorf, Germany.

Then of course, there was the ‘alien invasion’ film Independence Day, which grossed more in its opening week than any previous film in history.

A recent poll in Germany revealed that 17% of the population believe in visits by alien craft, while 31% believe there is intelligent life in other galaxies.

What should Christians think about UFO accounts?

1. Science
(a) Never a single contact with an ‘extraterrestrial’.

In 1900, the French Academy of Science offered a prize of 100,000 francs for the first person to make contact with an alien civilisation—so long as the alien was not from Mars, because the Academy was convinced that Martian civilisation was an established fact!

Since then, not a trace of ‘little green men’, or indeed any life, has been found on any of the planets which our probes have been able to explore.

Despite this, a great number of astronomers think that, since life evolved here on earth, it must have evolved near one of the many stars out there. In America SETI (Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) researchers have scanned the sky, looking in vain for signals from intelligent beings.

(b) Conditions must be ‘just right’.

Life on any planet can only survive in the presence of a great number of very stringent requirements. For example, it must be at the right distance from its sun, so as to be neither too hot nor too cold.

Although one cannot rule out the possibility that planets around other stars may be confirmed at some future point, it is at least extremely improbable that any of them would fulfil all the requirements needed for life. Just having liquid water is completely insufficient, despite the excitement reigning when such was detected as possibly being on the surface of Jupiter’s moon, Europa.

(c) Life cannot form spontaneously anyway.

Without intelligent, creative input, lifeless chemicals cannot form themselves into living things.2 Without this unfounded evolutionary speculation, UFOlogy would not have its present grip on the public imagination.

(d) Vast distances

Even if one assumed the existence of life somewhere else in the universe, a visit by extraterrestrials to earth, such as is claimed in UFO reports, seems completely impracticable, if not impossible. The distances (and therefore the likely travel times) are unimaginably vast.

The closest star (apart from the sun) to earth, Proxima Centauri, is already 40.7 million million kilometres (c. 25 million million miles) away. The Apollo flights took three days to get to the moon. At the same speed one would need 870,000 years to get to this nearest star. Of course, one could accelerate (particularly unmanned) probes to a greater speed. At the incredible speed of one-tenth of the speed of light, the trip would still take 43 years. However, one would need enormous amounts of energy to reach such a speed—energy roughly equivalent to the electricity output of the world’s largest hydroelectric power station for four days (for proof, see Addendum 1).

Furthermore, in every cubic kilometre of space, there are an estimated 100,000 dust particles (made up of silicates and ice) weighing only a tenth of a gram. At such a velocity, colliding with even one of these tiny objects could destroy a spaceship.3

2. The Bible
Secret bases? … Government cover-ups? …
Many UFO enthusiasts spread the urban myth of secret U.S. Government experiments on aliens, etc.—an idea reinforced by the movie Independence Day. However, under the inspiration of atheists like the late Carl Sagan, the U.S. government has spent millions of dollars listening ‘out there’ for signs of intelligent ET life. Many other evolutionary humanists, like Sagan, passionately believe that intelligent life has evolved ‘out there’ in addition to earth, and would pounce on any hard evidence for this idea. Consider the recent media frenzy about the ‘life in Mars rock’ fiasco. To imagine that a much more exciting discovery would be kept secret for decades seems beyond credibility.


(a) Scripture does not mention ‘ET’ visits.

The Bible, the revealed written Word of God, teaches that life is only possible through a process of creation. Even if there were other galaxies with planets very similar to earth, life could only be there if the Creator had fashioned it. If God had done that, and if these beings were going to visit us one day, then He would surely not have left us unenlightened about this.

God has given us rather specific details of the future—for example, the return of Jesus, and some details about the end of the world. The universe will, at some future point, be rolled up like a scroll (Isaiah 34:4, Revelation 6:14). If God had created living beings elsewhere, this would automatically destroy their dwelling place as well. Adam’s sin caused all of creation to be affected by the curse, so why would a race of beings, not of Adam’s (sinful) seed, have their part of creation affected by the Curse, and then be part of the restoration brought about by Christ, the last Adam? All of this would seem exceedingly strange.4

(b) The purpose of the stars.

The reasons stars were made are given to us in several places in the Bible, not only in the well-known Psalm 19 but especially in the Creation account. In Genesis 1:14 we read: ‘And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.’

We see from this that stars are there for mankind on earth. Add to this the sequence of creation (on the first day the earth, and only on the fourth day all of the stars), and it is easy to see the thrust of the biblical testimony, that the purpose of creation is uniquely centred on this earth.

3. So what about UFOs?
How, then, should one understand the UFO phenomena and all the associated ‘hype’? In the German magazine Focus, it was recently stated ‘90% of UFO reports turn out to be humbug, but there is a residual 10% which are not easy to dismiss.’5 ‘Humbug’ refers to natural phenomena such as heavenly bodies, noctilucent clouds, ball lightning, and man-made objects such as glowing blimps.

The article quoted sociologist Gerald Eberlein as saying:

‘research has shown that people who are not affiliated with any church, but who claim that they are religious, are particularly susceptible to the possible existence of extraterrestrials. For them, UFOlogy is a substitute religion.’6

The Bible goes somewhat deeper in this matter, identifying a supplementary cause and effect—2 Thessalonians 2:9–11:

‘Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.’

The Bible gives a description of reality concerning all living things. The living God reveals himself as the Triune One, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. In heaven there are the angels, who also serve mankind on the earth.

There is another reality—that of the devil and the demons. Ephesians 2:2 talks about the ‘prince of the power of the air’, whose reign is on earth.

The devil has his own repertoire of deception in the form of various occult practices and a multitude of religious rites. Could it be that, behind those unexplainable reports, is the work of the arch-deceiver?7 UFO reports, by definition, remain nebulous and not identifiable. People who do not know Christ are easily fascinated by all sorts of phenomena which are difficult to explain. For Christians there is Jesus’ warning in Matthew 24:4 to ‘Take heed that no man deceive you.’ The best antidote to deception? Paul exhorts us, in 2 Timothy 2:15, to study the Scripture, so we might be ‘rightly dividing the word of truth’.

References and notes
J.D. Sarfati, Life on Mars?, Creation 19(1):18–20, December 1996–February 1997; Life from Mars?, CEN Technical Journal 10(3)293–296, 1996; Bob Holmes, ‘Death knell for Martian life’, New Scientist 152(2061/2):4, 21–28 December, 1996. Return to text.
Some recent creationist critiques of evolutionary origin of life theories are S.E. Aw, The Origin of Life: A Critique of Current Scientific Models, CEN Technical Journal 10(3):300–314, 1996; J.D. Sarfati, Self-Replicating Enzymes, CEN Technical Journal 11(1):4–6, 1997. A very thorough treatment is the book by C.B. Thaxton, W.L. Bradley and R.L. Olsen, The Mystery of Life’s Origin, Philosophical Library Inc., New York, 1984. See also Q&A: Origin of Life. Return to Text.
This means there is a very small chance of hitting one in each linear kilometre travelled, but over such vast distances, the probability approaches certainty. See Addendum 2 for a calculation of the damaging effects of dust at such high speeds. Return to text.
Furthermore, Jesus dying for alien beings makes no sense, since Jesus became a man, and remains the God-man forever to be our Saviour. The whole purpose of creation is focused on the race on earth, of which some will be Christ’s bride throughout eternity. Christ will not have multiple brides. Return to text.
Hallo Erdling, Ufologie, Focus 45:254, 6 November 1995. Return to text.
Ref. 5, p. 252. Return to text.
William Alnor, cult expert and award-winning journalist, has studied the UFO phenomenon for many years. His book UFOs in the New Age (Baker Book House) documents his investigations leading to the conclusion that the UFO phenomenon has an occult source. Return to text.
Addenda
The following calculations didn’t appear in Creation magazine, but are given for the benefit of the technically-minded to confirm Dr Gitt’s points.

1. For a spacecraft to acquire a speed of c/10, it would need to acquire kinetic energy, given accurately enough by the non-relativistic formula of 1/2mv2. For a very small unmanned spacecraft of 10 kg, this is:

1/2 x 10 kg x (3 x 107 m/s)2
= 4.5 x 1015 J

The largest hydro-electric power station in the world at present, Itaipu, is jointly run by Brazil and Paraguay and has an output of 12.6 million kilowatts. Total energy generated by the 18 turbines in four days is exactly equal to the kinetic energy of the above-mentioned 10 kg spacecraft moving with a speed of c/10.

For a manned spacecraft weighing several tonnes, the energy requirements would exceed the world’s annual electricity consumption. For the city-sized spacecrafts in Independence Day, the energy requirements would be even more staggering. And when the spacecraft slowed again, it would need to use up almost this amount of energy in braking. If the spacecraft had to accelerate to c/10, slow down and start up many times, it is hard to imagine how enough fuel could be carried.

It would probably be impossible without some sort of antimatter drive. If perfect annihilation—complete conversion of matter to energy (E = mc2)—were possible, 1 tonne of antimatter could annihilate 1 tonne of ordinary matter to produce:

2000 kg x (3 x 108 m/s)2
= 1.8 x 1020 J.

And this is the absolute maximum amount of energy which could be produced even in principle from a given mass of fuel. A real spacecraft would be nowhere near as efficient.

Return to text.

2. The kinetic energy of a particle with a mass of a tenth of a gram travelling at a tenth of the speed of light, calculated from the spacecraft’s reference frame, is:

1/2mv2
= 1/2 x 10–4 kg x (3 x 107 m/s)2
= 4.5 x 1010 J.

In a chemistry lexicon (Roempp Lexikon), the combustion energy of TNT is given as:

4,520 kJ/kg
= 4.52 x 109 J/tonne

Therefore 4.5 x 1010 J is equivalent to:
(4.5 x 1010)/(4.52 x 109)
= 9.95 tons of TNT.
Therefore the impact energy of one of those 0.1 g objects would be the equivalent of an explosion of about 10 tons of TNT. Return to note 3.