Here is a real solution and both sides will hate it, so let's do it!?

Question

OK, we cannot get an agreement on this issue so the only fair and equitable answer would be a compromise that both sides hate!
1. seal the borders fro 2 years only citizens may leave or enter (pro crime hates it!)
2. give provisional status to ALL undocumented (ILLEGAL) aliens (ANTI CRIME HATES IT)
3. deport all illeglas who have ANY CRIMINAL RECORD, including parking tickets or littering fines(procrime hates it)
4. after all back taxes are paid, then residence established and a special green card issued and current illegals will be allowed to work (ANTI HATES)
5. employers are allowed to pay less than minimum to these 'new' residents as they claim they have been working for less anyway (PRO HATES)
6 no travel or money transfers out of country by new residents (pro)
7.new residents not allowed to own property/land for 5 yrs and after that they can apply for citizenship but if they do not apply and are granted deported (both sides hate it)
8 infraction above speeding-deportation!

AJ,
No sir! as you stae so well, to citizens, not resident aliens!
LindaLou,
A few new laws about international contracts and the nternet should take care of doing business and it would open even more jobs for Americans, as other countries/businesses would have to hire Americans to do the border crossing for their interests!

some of you raise some good points. The lower wage, as stated is because of the claim that they currently are able to both live and send money abroad at these claimed lower wages, so why give them a raise after giving them a provisionally legal status and stopping them from sending money home? that would be an actual raise, wouldn't it?
Plus they would just keep the jobs they had, so no real effect would be fealt, not more than it already is!

Answer 1

He he ... well thought out ... in fact some of the points are so sensible you'll never get anywhere near getting them implemented ... :) I'm wondering though ... in general .. about this back taxing ... how in the name of blazes do we figure out how much each individual should've paid in taxes? Or do we propose a blanket sum??

And poor ole Chupa Minor is at it again ... WHAT exactly does America owe you?? A padded cell??

Answer 2

I can see a couple of problems with your theory right off the top, but give you kudos because you've obviously put a lot of thought into a solution to what may very well be an unsolvable problem.

1. Seal the borders...
6. No travel or money transfers out of country by new residents

- What becomes of cross-border, legitimate, international business?
- This would very likely cripple the U.S. economy which has a high dependance on both import and export trade with many, many other countries around the globe.
- Some of these very business people may be one of these new residents you speak of.

Answer 3

<<5. employers are allowed to pay less than minimum to these 'new' residents as they claim they have been working for less anyway (PRO HATES)
6 no travel or money transfers out of country by new residents (pro)
7.new residents not allowed to own property/land for 5 yrs and after that they can apply for citizenship but if they do not apply and are granted deported (both sides hate it)>>

unfortunately the bill of rights grants full citizenship to all domestically born or naturalized residents of the united states. denying these rights would be unconstitutional. otherwise i quite like your ideas.

"No, the plan would need to give aid to undocumented, we risk our lives to come here to work, the U.S goverment owes us property, and tax exempt status ... we will not rest till we get what America owes us .."

No, we do not owe you. We do not force you to break the law and seek work in *our* country. You do not deserve aid. You deserve medical care, a sandwich, a bottle of water and a quarter tank of gas- and you should *pay us* for that.

Answer 4

Sounds like BS to me, let's get the border built, and have done with it. Sort out the rest AFTER they get the fence built, then tune up the ICE to where it can really work right, give that 2 years to happen, start taking suit against companies that knowingly have illegal employees, start putting some people out of business, I don't care if vegetables get more expensive, that's the price of doing business in america, and if people don't like it, offer to buy em a free plane ticket OUT of america. One-way, of course.
There's 300 million people that live in america, give or take, instead of welfare checks they can be working, doing SOMETHING. I've worked since leaving school, others can do likewise, start going through some of those 'disability' claims and get this taken care of. There's US-centric solutions to the border/immigration issue that can be done one-sided, and we don't need Mexico's permission for. They didn't ask before coming to the United States, and we don't have to 'ask' before voting to have the relevant laws properly and thorougly enforced.

Answer 5

Show me you can "seal" the border first. all illegals have an undocumented crime already. Prove to me you can stop monetary transfers. Besides, your plan would never work because Congress has no interest in your ideas. They just see a voting block each party is trying to manipulate. How long until we start hearing "racism" card being played by Hispanics? lol

Answer 6

Lowering wages would increase alien immigration. Make employers pay aliens a higher wage, and the demand will drop.

They recently rounded up and deported a couple thousand aliens. Round up and fine or jail 2000 employers, we have no problem.

Answer 7

I'd rather let them send their money out than let them bring their family in. Think of the number we have multiplied by 4, and the further burden on schools and health services.

And your number 5 cuts against our own workers by undermining wages, but does help the business lobby that otherwise is still left hungering for cheap labor.

And I approve of Sashie's solution for Chupa minor's problem.

Answer 8

Not bad but I disagree with #5. Paying low wages to illegals hurts our own citizens who cannot compete. We really need to go after the employers to end this problem.

Answer 9

Wow, now I've heard it all. One of you THINKS that America OWES you just because you "risked your life" by breaking our laws and sneaking across the border like vermin? Please! We don't owe you sh*t, my friend. Go back to where you came from and work on making your homeland a place decent enough to stay in instead of running away. Mexico has had about the same amount of time as the U.S. to thrive, so why hasn't it?

Answer 10

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