Doesn't Romans 9: especially verses 18-21 make it clear?

Question

God is God. He can and does do as he wishes with his creation, his people. God chooses. So that makes you mad because you do not understand it. It doe snot make God unjust as the verses clearly say. Armianist need to get real on biblical reading and interpretation.

Answer 1

If that were true, then why is it that Christians are always wanting to pray for survivors of natural disasters? By your logic, and the scripture you claim to believe in, it would seem that when these things happen Christians should be thanking God for playing potter. After all, it was Gods plan to make these things occur. It was part of His master plan. Doesn't all the prayer and posturing to help disaster victims go against Gods master plan? When an earthquake or flood strikes, God must have wanted these people to suffer for a reason. To ease their suffering would almost certainly be counterproductive.

Clearly, it is not a series of scripture that is followed by the majority of Jesus-worshippers. Thank goodness! (Christians and other zealots, feel free to thank the invisible friend of your choosing.)

Lets take a closer look at Romans 9:18: "Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth."

God hardens peoples hearts against Him or against man in order to further his master plan. However, he shows mercy to those whose hearts he has hardened. By this scripture, we can conclude that Pharoh resides in Heaven, as God hardened pharohs heart 10 times. Surely, Pharoh recieved Gods mercy.

Using that as precedence, it is very likely that Torquemada, Custer, Stalin, Hitler, and many other men that moral people call "evil" must also reside in Heaven. If one takes these scriptures literally, every genocide attempt in History MUST be part of Gods master plan. Certainly, in the case of Hitler, (who was a devout Catholic), the death of 6 million Jews must be a part of Gods master plan. I doubt that many Jews dying in such a short span of time would go unnoticed by Him.

Am I the only one who sees the irony in the idea that both God and Hitler seem to have a "Master Plan" and a "Final Solution"?(After all, what are the apocolyptic prophesies of Daniel and Revelations, but Gods Final Solution revealed)?

I digress.

Biblicly, God has stepped in to spare lone Jews from lesser fates. It is unreasonable to believe that He would fail to spare 6 million unless it IS part of His design. If one accepts that it was, then one must accept that Hitler was Gods chosen weapon to carry out the attrocities of Aushwitz, Sobibor, and the other death camps. One MUST accept that Hitler was either doing Gods will with divine grace, or that God "hardened his heart."

God has mercy on those He uses to further His design. He hardens the hearts of those he uses to further His plan in order for them to do His "divine" will. Scripturally, Hitlers holocaust can only be accredited to Gods Master plan. Hitler has Gods mercy. Quid pro quo.

Again, I don't think you will find much acceptance of this reasoning among your brethren. You certainly won't find it acceptable to any person with an ounce of moral fiber.

Rightfully so, says I.
-SD-

Answer 2

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Answer 3

Yes. It is clear to me now...but it didn't used to be.

I recently had a conversation with a Christian that thought they could live sinlessly!

They said that the struggle Paul describes in Romans 7 is the unconverted sinner.

I'm sorry but unconverted sinner doesn't struggle with sin...they don't even recognize sin as sin. They don't struggle...they just do it without any struggle at all.

Glad to see there are some reformed people here.

Answer 4

Amen. YHVH is not in debt to any man. Just because He has mercy on some does not ipso facto require Him to have mercy on all. None will be able to charge Him with being unjust, unmerciful or unrighteous, as all have sinned and come short of His glory. He has made His offer of clemency freely to all, that all will not partake of its benefit casts no dispersion on His character, but upon the persons own willful, sinful nature. On Judgment Day, instead of crying “Why hast Thou made me thus?” they will only be able to cry “Why didn’t I believe?”

Answer 5

Yeah, God has a great PR team. It's all in the marketing, and having your own fan base write your material is a great way to boost your esteem in your followers.

Answer 6

PLEASE, can't we just try and be nice to each other??? it gives us a really bad reputation and does so much to turn ppl away from God cos his believers are such idiots...me included. We are all stumbling blocks to each other but it's better to have mill stones tied round our necks than end up making little kids into cynics before their time.

Answer 7

you're right. God is NOT unjust, but we simple-minded people often don't see things His way. i'm not sure what "Armianists" are, but it sounds like you're right there too!

Answer 8

Yeah, God is God, and it's never Jesus.

Answer 9

I love Fireybird's answer...

Answer 10

Woah! Good one. Although I still stand by "It's better to be kind than right..........................."