The existance of God is verified in everything that is around us...including all physical laws. If there was no God, the whole universe would be in chaos and things would happen haphazardly. Nothing would follow a prescribed law. It is He who constrains everything to His laws. Can atheists prove otherwise?
2006-07-08 00:31:22 · 17 answers · asked by 【ツ】ρεαcε! 5 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
I would appreciate a spirit of debate and a restraint on the language...
2006-07-08 00:41:37 · update #1
you seem to be arguing that the natural order of the universe proves that there is a godhead immanent in it.
there are (at least) two crippling flaws in your position.
firstly: the universe is by no means as benignly ordered as you claim. something as simple as root two produces an irrational number (making it impossible to ever perfectly measure both the sides and the diagonal of a simple square). more worryingly goedel's incompleteness theorem shows that large parts of reality are simply unknowable (or perhaps only incommunicable) - we don't know how much about the universe we can never know - but we suspect it may be lots.
most worrying of all: cantor's diagonal method shows (among other things) that the number of possible questions which can be asked is infinitely larger than the number of possible answers which can be given. this means that there are infinitely many unanswerable questions (and quite a few of them are very important).
the world is simply not as well ordered as you suggest. only your ignorance of it makes you believe otherwise.
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the second - more serious - objection is that you say that god must exist 'because the world is an orderly place'.
to say this suggests that god would not be able to sustain a disorderly world, if he so chose.
so your 'proof' of god proves that god is not omnipotent (he would be unable to sustain a disorderly world).
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like most christians you base your faith on an elementary misunderstanding of the world and an unwillingness to learn about it.
this would be funny, if it weren't blasphemous.
2006-07-11 22:17:48 · answer #1 · answered by synopsis 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Creationist hypothesis that is not even a theory...just your wishful thinking, try again, I mean you could just as well say this...
The existance of Pixies is verified in everything that is around us...including all physical laws. If there were no Pixies, the whole universe would be in chaos and things would happen haphazardly. Nothing would follow a prescribed law. It is the Pixie who constrains everything to Pixie laws. Can atheists prove otherwise?
2006-07-08 07:37:27 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
In the past year I’ve seen a lot of religious imbeciles and hypocrites, and the thought of spending eternity with them would be horrific. On top of that, I’ve spent quite a bit of time recently contemplating Christianity. For one thing, why would God be male? Women give birth and thus make more sense as an ultimate creator. Being male also entails having male sex organs; why would God need genitals if He’s the only god and, being all-powerful, He can presumably make things without help (and is thus asexual). The only reason the Bible would need to say God is male would be to make women second-class. Basing a religion on misogyny is definitely not something I can get behind.
For another thing, there’s the whole question of heaven and hell. Basing someone’s status for the rest of time on maybe 80 years on Earth does not sound like the supposedly all-knowing, all-powerful, loving god Christians claim Him to be. If He knows everything, then He knows whether a person deserves eternal punishment or eternal happiness before they are born. And if He knows a person’s eternal status before their creation, then He creates people to burn in hell, which means He is not a caring, loving god. And if He does not know how badly a person will ‘sin’ before they draw their first breath, then He is not all-knowing. Basing someone’s afterlife on their choices in life means people actually have a choice, which means He is not all-powerful. And that means the Christian God is not a god at all, but the results of thousands of years of hypocrisy, cruelty, and the taint of human power struggles. Religion is a crutch for those terrified of death and responsibility – those who need to blame God for their own faults and mistakes (and thank Him occasionally to avoid accusations of hypocrisy) and those who think a half-century of adulthood isn’t nearly enough time to accomplish their goals, that infinity sounds like a much better work schedule. Christianity also says that daughters can be sold into slavery, sons can be cursed for laughing at their drunk, naked fathers, and children in general can be killed for insolence. It also says that Jesus, who supposedly came from the Middle East, was white.
Based on my own reasoning (which my parents and evolution gave me), I have come to realize that there is no god. I have also realized that this is not a problem because I do not fear death – I am always prepared and early for things, so I can accomplish plenty of things in my time on Earth – and I do my best to claim responsibility for my failures and my successes. Being atheist does not devalue my life, nor does it make me a bad person. I realize that I’m being a bit unfair in dismissing all religions simply because Christianity is flawed, but most religions have had a jihad of some sort and, even if they were simply the victims, that’s something I’d prefer not to get tangled up in.
I'd also like to say to Raja that, if there were a creatOr, you'd think he would have 'blessed' his followers with better spelling skills.
2006-07-12 05:20:24 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
What makes you think the universe is not in chaos? Have you been further than the earth? Have you noticed the weather lately? Most importantly, where did "God" come from and why do hateful, horrible things occur if "God" is omniscient and all-powerful?
2006-07-08 07:37:20 · answer #4 · answered by Peace Pup 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Dear, there is no use in argueing and trying to make them understand the goodness of the Master who created us, and created the whole universe, with those who have not tasted or experienced the wonderful ways of our LORD CREATER,
Even the scientist who are geting the wisdom from God a proof.
2006-07-08 07:43:03 · answer #5 · answered by raja 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
im not exactly an atheist, more of an agnostic,
why cant the laws exist independantly? that's a very popular theory.
since this explains everything your God theory does. it is up to you to prove God exists because the burden of proof lies with the affirmative
2006-07-08 07:39:50 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
I'd say that since the entire basis for your christian belief comes from a extremely flawed document, the bible, a flawed document that is the creation of mans imagination, therefore the contents of such a document would also be flawed and the work of mans imagination alone.
2006-07-08 08:00:46 · answer #7 · answered by ndmagicman 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
In both philosophical and physical terms, your statement is complete and utter bollocks. It is not for others to disprove your imbecilic assertion, rather the onus is on you to justify it. Suggest you take a few science courses - start at kindergarten and work your way up. Your ignorance is truly astounding.
2006-07-08 07:38:31 · answer #8 · answered by bonzo the tap dancing chimp 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Why should they. You are the one making the wild claims.
Your statement seems to contradict itself - all phsical laws? That must include evolution. Atrophy. Death is death. Etc etc.
You issue a statement which is totally and utterly incapable of showing any evidence whatsoever.
2006-07-08 07:38:37 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Very well said Peace, God Bless You!
2006-07-08 07:36:09 · answer #10 · answered by Punky 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋