This is how religion doesn't make sense...?

Question

Adam and Eve were in trouble for wearing clothes...now NOT wearing clothes gets you in trouble.

People who never sinned are punished for those who did (original sin, Jesus's sacrifice)

Jesus is the freakin son of God, who cares how many times he got whipped, he is the luckiest dude ever.

God punishes or rewards people FOREVER for what they did in a few years of life.

Can you add anything?

Joa5, I am guilty and unrepentant of that which you accuse me. Na Na!

Answer 1

I agree.

Christianity? Jesus? Dying?

What is the Imacculate Conception supposed to mean?

(NOT A VIRGIN BIRTH! - betcha never knew that.)

Jesus, the basis of Christianity? .

If Jesus died, he could NOT have been God.

Gods do not die? Do they?

If Jesus 'died' on Friday and 'undied' on Sunday, what else besides Saturday was sacrificed?

Did Jesus give up Saturday for us? Big deal!

If Jesus died for our sins, there should not be any more sins, else why go through with it?.

If Jesus really DIED, he should be dead, dead, dead!

If you swallow this stuff, you are not going to like the folks who don't. You want them to swallow it too.

Christians want everyone to convert to their non-thinking in order to be 'saved'.

Believing and not thinking is like choosing a mental illness and becoming lost.

Answer 2

Well, if those arguments were true, I could totally see where you are coming from. The problem is that that is not what the Bible says. So if you are arguing that the Bible is not true based on what it says, it would help if you knew what it said. Hehe. Anyways, Adam and Eve were not in trouble for wearing clothes. They were in trouble because they disobeyed God. Then they had to wear clothes because they realized they were naked (they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, so it "opened their eyes" so to speak).

As far as the sin goes, everyone has sinned. It says that many times in the Bible. Many people think sin is just the "big" things like killing and adultry, but it is anything that goes against God, no matter how small. This includes lying, cheating, thinking bad thoughts... As we teach the kids here, sin is anything you do, say, or think that goes against God. We are not being compared with other people who are worse than us, we are being compared to God, who is perfect. Jesus did not have to take the punishment, he chose to. The reason he could was that he had never sinned.

Jesus IS God, not just the son of God. There is one God, and three persons. Kinda like there is three types of water, but it's still water (ice, liquid, and gas). Kinda hard to understand, but it makes sense if you think about it long enough:) But my understanding is that because Jesus is God, it probably hurt him more. I imagine that there was a lot more going on than just getting whipped and hung on a cross. I mean, he took the punishment for all our sins. Our punishment is pretty darn bad, so I imagine it was bad for him too.

The punishment or rewards argument is something that I am honestly to tired to get into right now (I have been remodeling the bathroom and planting a ton of plants and other stuff all day) so I won't. Cus it won't make sense. But there are answers out there. If you really want to know, look for them. If not, it wouldn't do any good for me to say anything here anyways, right? So yeah, I can say that there are answers to all the questions people ask, but they have to look for them. They are out there, and I know because I used to have the same questions as many other people. So yeah, hope that is easy to understand and doesn't sound "preachy" (is that spelled right? is it even a word?.... hm...) Anyways, I really need sleep. Hope that helps.

Edit:
Just a response to someone elses answer. There is nothing wrong with finding faults in things you don't believe. If you don't find faults, even in your own beliefs, it is blind faith (something the Bible never actually taught). It strenthens your own beliefs and maybe allows you to find something else that is true. I mean, I still question about everything I know or hear, but that is good, because if it is true, there are answers.

Answer 3

This is the kind of question that is fun. It drags us nutcases out of the cracks in the woodwork. I really enjoy the question and enjoy the responses that your question evoked.
Occasionally questions like yours will yield a novel perspective.
Thank you.
You might add the following:
It is inconceivable that an infant could sin.
How could a loving God create such a messy religion that is illogical, irrational and required faith when it could have all been laid out easy enough that every human on earth could come to the same conclusion about God. Instead we have a vague mess that enables scum bags to abuse others in the name of God.
That's enough.

Answer 4

Your idiocy is unbelievable. Sarcasm or not. Adam and Eve were allowed to eat fom any tree in paradise, except one. God specifically said do not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and bad. They disobeyed God, to whom they should have been eternally obedient and grateful.

Jesus' sacrifice is a person who did not sin suffering for those who did, yes. THAT'S THE POINT! God loved us so much that He sent His only son to die for us. He showed us how to live in a manner that praises God and showed how we need to die to our ways and let God lead us.

Forever is the wrong term. Eternity does not go on forever, it just never stops. Think of it as an ever turning loop. Imagine all of everything existsing in the same split-nanosecond of time in the same atom. also imagine that split-nanosecond lasting all eternity. Time does not exist in eternity, therfore forever is non-existent.

Also, that punishment you mentioned is not being dropped into lava and stabbed by Satan. The knowledge that God is so far from the damned pains them so much that is it an eternal punishment. Even if they did nto care about God in their lives, their eternal sould know God and long to be near Him. Not being able to is agony for an eternal soul.

Please stop being ignorant.

Answer 5

I can answer a statement....screw that other guy.

Jeremiah 3:12
I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger for ever.
Jeremiah 17:4
Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever.
(Notice these two are in the same book.)

1 Corinthians 13:7
Believeth all things.
Proverbs 14:15
The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.

Exodus 4:11
Who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
Mark 9:17, 25
And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit. Jesus ... rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.
(Of course Jesus might have been talking about his father here.)

Psalm 37:29
The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
Psalm 102:25-26
The earth and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish.

Matthew 5:44
Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.
Psalm 58:6-7
Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth.... Let them be as cut in pieces.

Even if you are religious, you couldn't follow the bible word for word without constantly contradicting yourself.

Answer 6

well 1st they werent in trouble for waring clothes--ok this is how ignorance wares you down and beats you in 2 submission-look you dont have to like it -the fact that you have to ask -already shows life has gotten you where you cant ignore the answers -there are people that live their whole lives and never understand -but they usually just live their life as a BLARING example to the rest of us, if ur seriously asking, scrap those ideas pick up the bible with a fresh mind and pray-religion doesnt make sence ,but god does

Answer 7

Your avatar + this question + the Bill & Ted voice I heard in my head when you were talking about Jesus being the luckiest dude ever = a really unseemly fit of giggles at my desk.

Thanks!

Answer 8

It would be more fun to answer if I had any reason to believe you were sincere.

Unfortunately, you appear to have made up your mind and are looking for reinforcement for your point of view.

The Bible talks about people who are "willfully ignorant of the truth".

You don't understand God, and the things of God, because you don't believe. It's those who make the choice to believe that God reveals himself to.

Jesus said "every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."

If you truly desired to resolve the conundrums you present, you would find the answers. As it stands, you don't want answers, you want to find disarray and disorder in religion. You have, therefore, what you want.

Answer 9

Sorry - this is not a question. You have just written a bunch of statements. I can't answer a statement, I can only answer a question.

Answer 10

I see where you're going with this, but to get to the heart of the matter you'll have to go a little deeper. Consider the following:

1) According to Christian beliefs god is omniscient, that is, he knows everything that will ever happen. That said, one must conclude that god knows whether you are going to hell before he even creates you. Therefore, if you are damned, you were always damned. In essence, god, knowing full well your fate before your creation, plucks you from nothingness and puts you on the fast track to hell. In that sense, you might as well be a wind up toy that god winds up and points towards heaven or hell. This would also apply to the Devil and his legion of angels. (God was not surprised by Satan's rebellion...). Think of god as the creator of the old SNL skit Mr. Bill. Remember that? "Oh, nooooo, Mr. Bill!" Do some research on Calvanism or simply predestination.

2) In line with the above, it must also be assumed that god knows everything he will ever do. If god knows everything he will ever do then the one thing god can NOT be is spontaneous. That is, god can never change his mind because he knew he was going to change his mind an infinity before it happened. Consider: if god can not change his mind, and knows everything he will EVER do, does god really have free will or is he bound by his perfect nature (the so-called mandate of heaven)? If god has no free will, do you? Which also begs the question, why does god do the things he does - what forces predestined him to create the universe? Is that force more powerful than god (and therefore the 'true' god)?

3) Consider the implications of this statement: The above is not true because god is not all knowing or all powerful. There are things god does NOT know, and there are limits to his power. If that is the case, god is simply more powerful than us, and therefore has the right to torture and damn us at will. Might makes right...

4) If you go to the edge of the universe and then go ten feet further, what would you find? Nothing? Would you smack right into a big wall of nothing? Would you come out the other side of the universe like in the game pac-man? (There are actually some physicist who believe the last scenerio is a possiblity. History will prove them to be the fools they are). The universe is expanding, but what is it expanding INTO? The reason these questions confuse some people is because of some ambiguities in the term 'universe'. Does the word refer to the collection of matter that is ever expanding outward from the big bang, or does it refer to the space that this matter is expanding into? From this point forward, let it refer to the SPACE the collection of matter (galaxies, etc) is expanding into. Now, we know that the collection of MATTER does not go on infinitely, for we can see the edge, and further, we know it is expanding from a single point of origin that exploded some such and such billions of years ago. But what about space itself? Is that infinite? Is there an edge to space? If there is an edge, what is on the other side? Some would say that the answer to this is that there is nothing at the edge of space, but consider: in the physical universe it would be absolutely impossible for nothing and something to co-exist. Imagine this scenerio: the only thing that exists at all is a pencil. This pencil floats in a sea of nothingness. The problem with such a scenerio is that nothing has no dimensions or properties at all. It is nothing. No space. But a pencil occupies space, it has dimension, so how could it be contained by nothing? How could a pencil be inside of nothing? Therefore, the proof that nothing doesn't exist is evident by the fact that anything exists. By extension, this would also prove that space is infinite, for were space to have an edge we would find ourselves in the absurd situation where nothing contains something (the universe, space and matter). So, is there an edge to space? Is our universe in a bubble of space inside of infinite nothingness. Does 1 + 1 = 3?

5) Premise: the fact that anything exists at all is proof that something has always existed, and that at no point has nothing ever been the state of existence. From the previous argument we can see that nothing and something can not co-exist in the physical universe, and that therefore space is infinite. But we should also establish that it is a logical absurdity to believe that there was ever a state of nothingness and that something was somehow created from nothing. So, to restate: Something can never come from nothing, therefore, something has always existed; and, nothing has never existed. If nothing does not exist, then something is infinite.

6) Keeping arguments 4 and 5 in mind, lets examine the statement 'something has always existed' based on the premise that something can not come from nothing. We also know that since nothing and something can not co-exist that this something is infinite. Being infinite, this thing would also have to be singular (there could not be multiple infinite things). Presumably, this infinite, singular thing is the substance from which all other things are derived. The label this 'thing' that is the foundation of all other things has been given by primative cultures is 'god'. But here let me propose an alternative: is there anything else that fits the bill for this necesary foundation of all things? So far we know this thing must be infinite, and in being infinite must be singular. Since this thing exists of its own accord and is singular it would not be made up of other things, but would be elemental and unable to be broken down any further. Sounds exotic, this thing - this proto substance that is the very fabric of reality! What else but god could fit such a bill! Actually, there is one thing, and it is all about and within you. The best candidate for our proto substance is...drumroll, please......space! Consider: space is singular (there is only one space) and infinite (it goes on forever in all directions) and can not be broken down any further (it is not made of smaller parts). What better foundation for reality? Would it be more logical then to say the most complex being imaginable has always existed (god) or that the least complicated 'thing' in the universe (space) has always existed? If this is correct science will discover that all matter is energy interacting with itself, and that all energy is space interacting with itself. Essentially, that would mean that everything is composed of "patterns of space". String theory already plays with the idea of vibrating space as the substance of all matter, and other (as of yet unnamed) theories posit the existence of space "whirlpools" that form sub-atomic particles. It will only be a matter of time...

7) Two points: (a) If the existence of the universe can be explained scientifically there is no need to posit the existence of a creator and therefore no need to try to explain the absurdities of religion (moot point). (b) If there is such a god we have already demonstrated that, according to christian teaching, this being can not have free will, so there is little point in asking about motives or inconsistencies in behaviour...


A poem I found on FanStory.com that explains all of this pretty well:

If God knows everything
He will ever do,
But changed his mind
Did he know that too?

And if I burn
In the eternal fire,
But He knew always
What would transpire;

Then damned I was
And damned I be,
My sentence passed
The day before eternity.

Where do You end
And I begin?
In eternal battles
You cannot when.

Hello, Satan,
My elder son,
The road is wide,
The path is one.

Hush, my child,
Sleep again;
For all these things
You have been fore given.

For historical reference, look up Gnostic belief. If you feel you must believe in dieties their's is the most logical explanation for the inconsistencies you point out (i.e., God is insane).