Can anyone provide a logical proof of the existence of god?

Question

Without resorting to authorities such as written texts, sentimentality (i.e. because it makes us feel good) or popular opinion can anyone provide a logical reason to believe in god that will hold up under the principle of Occam's Razor? That is, without inferring complicated belief systems from simple phenomena.

I didn't think so.

Answer 1

logically, we are here now. Somebody, or something existed,or happened. It is too much for your brain, and mine. It is 7a.m. Until I finish my first cup of coffee, I'm not sure there's logical existence of ME.

Answer 2

There is no logical proof.

This is why there is 'faith', which means "even though there is no proof I believe anyway". This meme doesn't get the host killed and so it perpetuates. The "even though I can't see a bridge I'm going to walk off this cliff anyway" meme does get the host killed and so doesn't perpetuate.

A few comments on other answers:
"God exists! How do you explain everything around you? How do you explain humans? God created everything, all us humans have 2 do is praise Him for that." --a person who can't see past their bible. Evolution explains humans and physical laws explains the things around you quite nicely.

"Remember that at least one statistician estimated that just for the first cell to become organized would take more atoms than there exists in the universe" --creationist who abuse maths to sound like there belifes are scientifically valid have a habit of using dodgy data or inappropriate calculation processes. Look no further than the man who worked out the average floor space needed for the animals on the ark. Instead of using the mean value he used the median value, there are a lot more (understatement) small animals than larger animals, and so obtained a value that might be okay under casual view but is utter rubbish when looked at properly. As for organization and the number of atoms that simply doesn't make much sense at all.

"Not even scientists can proof the origin of the universe .. they don't have solid evidence .. all theories." --I think you are getting hypothesis and theory mixed up, they do not mean the same thing. Hypothesis is a rough explaination of a cause. Theory is when this hypothesis has been investigated and has oppropriate data associated with it and, most importantly, if experiemental in nature, can be reliably recreated by other scientists. I think this is why there is so much friction between the religious and scientific communities, religion states what has happened and does not test to validate, which is against the scientific method.

Answer 3

My logic is a little out of whack these days. All I can say is, it sure beats all that we live on a planet that has just exactly the right conditions to support life as we know it. And, even though the durned thing spins around and around in a dance with the moon, it never gets dizzy and spins off in some other direction. It never strays far from the warming sun, and it never collides with the other dancers. No other ball of rock that we know of could support anything that we would recognize as life, yet here we are, doing an incredible balancing act on this planet that we call Earth. Go figure. For some reason unbeknownst to me, I am allowed to experience life for a short but incredibly wonderful few moments in the context of eternity. I just don't figure it's an accident, and I choose to believe there is a reason why I am here.

Answer 4

Can you provide absolute proof that God does not exist?

Actually, if there was no God, many people would probably "feel better" because there would be no ultimate accountability for their sins. Perhaps this is why so many people choose not to believe in God today. We live in an era of no accountability for anything in our society. Belief in God requires one to acknowledge the existence of a higher power and one that we would be accountable to.

Occam's Razor is attributed to a human, is it not? Given that humans only use a small portion of their brain capacity, we can hardly have all the answers for life's mysteries.

Here's something to chew on...

If God made His presence unmistakably definite, then we would no longer have free will to choose to believe or not. There would not longer be a true choice of whether to serve God or not. Would there?

Answer 5

Yes sir. I recommend you look at the complexity of nature. Ask yourself how such complexity could exist. Remember that at least one statistician estimated that just for the first cell to become organized would take more atoms than there exists in the universe.

If you apply that possibility to that of a creator God, then I think Occam's Razor would lead to a creator of what we see and not impossible odds of randomness.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp

Answer 6

God is a concept and exists only as that. A word cannot contain any experience or awareness. It can only convey a concept. What inspired the concept of god in the human mind cannot be explained logically; it exists outside of the conceptual language of logic. The word "god" can only ever point to something deeper within our own awareness. The inspiration of the concept of god exists deeper within than our logical minds can go. But, our awareness can travel there if we expand past our attachment to logical thinking. So, your answer is no. You will never find "logical proof" of god but then logic isn't everything.

Answer 7

The Amazing Randi has offered a million dollars for any one who can prove the existence of anything super natural. Where are all those fortune tellers, Priests, Spiritual healers, Etc.
They claim they don't so it for the money. Yeah right!
Sylvia Brown, a well known psychic has accepted the challenge in public on Larry King, but has since avoided the whole thing. The clock is ticking
http://www.randi.org/sylvia/

Answer 8

You have asked the question, which may indicate that you are open to any answer. But you have completed your question with a statement which indicates you may not be open to any answer. It's difficult to tell. I encourage you to shed your prejudices and seek the truth. Here is my opinion. An opinion I have spent years trying to make sense of, because I am not satisfied with blind faith, which is what I had in the beginning. But demand that belief in God, like God Himself, be completely logical from top to bottom, beginning to end, inside, outside and inside out. I don't profess to know all the answers, nor do I believe that I ever will in this life. But when I understand something, it must fit logically within faith, or the structure of belief in God crumbles.

I completely disagree with those that say belief in the existence of God can't be held up under the principle of Occam's Razor. In fact, belief in the existence of God is by far the simplest answer to all of life's questions.
But the easiest answer is metaphysical. Why are we here, both physically and purposefully?
Is it because billions of years ago, a chemical reaction we don't understand and can't repeat occurred and a chain reaction was begun to bring us here to present day so that we can please ourselves. Was I an accident? Were you? This belief system, far more complicated than I can describe here, is unutterably incomprehensible, and filled with gaps of logic. Where is the fossil record showing me many, small changes through time? If you remove any one part of a cell, it can not function as a cell. So how did the first cell fall together? How are stars held together? Why is the earth perfectly situated to allow eclipses of the sun? How is it that the chain of impossible tasks that occurred to place this planet in the perfect position, with the perfect set of circumstances within the universe, geologically, biologically, astrologically, physically, meteorologically, and without any small part of any one of which life would not be possible here? These and other questions that remain unanswered by the 'accidental tourist' crowd make not believing in God impossible for me.

The only theory that can answer all the questions, without fail, is belief in God. It is the only answer that makes sense all the time. It is, actually, the only logical answer.

I've answered this question for myself. Now you. Spend the next few months and years and look around at the earth and the universe. Study the questions and keep asking more questions. Listen to people more knowledgable than you. Keep an open mind and listen to people of faith and people without faith. Judge for yourself their motives, because everyone has them. Although it may seem that people without faith are more apt to be unbiased, this is not true. EVERYONE has something invested in accepting or denying the existence of God. If you accept the existence of God, you have to deal with Him. This terrifies everyone, and most people would rather deny than deal. Look for yourself and see that this is a human truth - we often would rather ignore a problem and hope it goes away.

Sometimes skeptics refuse to listen to people of faith because they believe they are stupid, or lemmings. This is not a logical assumption. Answer this question for yourself: Is there more evidence for or against the existence of God?

The answer to this question is vital to you. Do you really want to get it wrong? It is intellectually dishonest to negate the existence of God because you don't want it to be true. It is more important that you be right. Truth should not be restricted to our desires. But, like God, should be fully accepted for what it is, not what we wish it to be.

Answer 9

Can you provide logical proof that God does not exist without resorting to the things you've mentioned above.

I didn't think so.

Answer 10

Yes
Any human mind can imagine that a perfect being exists, even if they do not understand it. Because they conceive it in their mind, then it must be real, at least in their mind.
Since, it is real in their mind then it must be real in reality because if it was not, then you would not have conceived a perfect being. Surely a being that exists in reality and the mind is greater than one that only exists in the mind, so it must be that being which exists in both that the person was originally thinking about, because if a being has something that is greater than itself, then it is not perfect. So, as long as you can imagine a perfect God, logically He must exist.

Answer 11

No one can prove something to you that you don’t want to believe. Asking for physical proof of the existence of spirit is an exercise in stupidity because the two are mutually exclusive. The best I can do is speak to you from my heart and tell you what happened to me. What you do with what I tell you is up to you.

Several years ago I had an unusual experience concerning an uncle, a distant relative who lived over a thousand miles away.

While driving my car I suddenly felt the unmistakable presence of this relative that I hardly even knew. He was more like someone I had heard about than someone I knew. It was very strange; it felt as though I was momentarily lifted right out of my physical body. I seemed to be suspended somehow beyond space and time, bathed in a love so intense It felt like I could have just disappear into it at any moment if It would have let me. It only lasted for a few seconds, but it seemed to last forever at the same time. I realize how crazy this must sound. The experience was so strong that at first I was afraid I was loosing my grip on reality. I finally managed to chalk it up to an over active imagination.

Three days later I got a call from my aunt telling me that this uncle we are talking about had gone into a coma and died the day I had the experience. It felt like ice water had been poured down my back when she told me this. I had lost any real ideas of God or faith and had become somewhat of an atheist. Needless to say this experience caused me to rethink some of the conclusions I had come to.

I feel blessed to now understand that even in our darkest confusion something loves us so much that it went out of its way to assist me and bring me back to a state of absolute certainty about Gods love for us.
During the experience it seemed like there was a vast amount of information that I was somehow allowed access to. One thing that I came away from this experience understanding beyond any shadow of a doubt was that any Idea that God is unhappy with us or would judge or allow us to be punished for any reason is simply impossible.

I can’t explain the love I felt with words. They simply don’t make words big enough or complete enough to do this. The only way I can begin to convey this love to you is to say that there was simply nothing else there. Nothing but love. No hint of judgment, no displeasure of any sort. It is as though God sees us as being as perfect as we were the day we were created. It only in our confused idea of ourselves that we seem to have changed.

I hope this is of some help to you. Good luck. Love and blessings.

Your brother don