Homosexuality: Genetic or Learned?

Question

We have managed to map out the whole Human Genome, yet no "gay gene" has been found and labeled in the genome map. I'm sure if it was, there'd be a lot of fanfare over such a discovery.

However, most of the gay people I know have "become" gay as a result of childhood difficulties which tend to stem from parental abuse, especially from the father, or from the father being absent to a vast degree.

There have also been cases of homosexual men turning straight through healing and counseling and go on to lead a productive heterosexual life with a happy marriage and children.

What are your thoughts? (please, no dumb answers. thanks)

Answer 1

Either way, homosexual acts are not only sinful, but also medically dangerous.

How else can we classify a sexual lifestyle when only around 1% of its participants lives to see old age?

Answer 2

Once again ^Julia^ has proved her hatred, misinformation, lies, deceit, and intolerance for her fellow humans by broadcasting her message/opinion from behind the veil of "God" and "The Bible". How VERY Christian of you!

It has been PROVEN that homosexuality is NOT an exclusively human phenomena -a fact she continues to ignore even to today. Remember that for the next time you want to go on one of your infamous gay-bashing sprees, oh saintly-wannabe.

That said, why (to the asker of this question) would you suppose that homosexuality is a learned trait? I certainly don't remember studying it or having a final exam... Has there been any absolute, concrete, conclusive evidence of this statement?

As for your assertions that homosexuals are produced strictly by childhood trauma or difficulties, that is incorrect. There are plenty of guys I know (homosexual, of course) who came from perfectly normal, happy families. In fact, I did, too. So, using your "logic" and "reasoning", why did they turn out the way they did? If it wasn't an environmental influence, then what was it???

"Healing" and "counseling" have not been proven to be effective whatsoever. In fact, there is a very high "return" rate after "treatment".

Can you substantiate your claims with real facts and figures instead of conjecture and hatred?

BTW, Maxfr8... Could you elaborate a little more. I don't think you've filled up the entire page!

Answer 3

"We have managed to map out the whole Human Genome..."

Yes, we have MAPPED them, but we haven't identified which gene does what, for most of them. There have actually been several genes reported as a so-called "gay gene" but, unlike eye colour, these are not simple switches... and don't get me started on genetic switches...

"However, most of the gay people I know have "become" gay as a result of childhood difficulties which tend to stem from parental abuse, especially from the father, or from the father being absent to a vast degree."

St. Thomas made a similar mistake. My rebuttal? Well, most of the gay people I know - and BELIEVE me, I have *known* many - had perfectly respectable childhoods, with loving parents who were neither errant nor abusive.

"There have also been cases of homosexual men turning straight through healing and counseling and go on to lead a productive heterosexual life with a happy marriage and children."

There are a number of ripostes I could offer, here are three:

1) There have been many more cases of gays in denial (or - if you don't mind the Latin - in occulto) who have married and borne children - only to divorce or suicide or sour family life by suffering from depression

2) How "gay" were these happily married individuals? There are bisexuals here who are happily married. Were these "gay" individuals 100% gay at the outset or were they just confused, in modern parlance "Bi-curious", to require counselling?

3) Where are the follow up studies to show that their lives were fulfilled, heterosexually, until death did them part? How were they observed; to know that they didn't sneak out at dusk to cruise, incognito, for gay sex?

Genetic or Learned? Let's compromise with this statement "Genetically drawn to be attracted to the same sex, homosexuals learn how to be homosexual from experiences with the same sex."

I hope my thoughts and experiences in this matter are not perceived as dumb, even if, they might happen to run counter to your point of view.

Regards

Answer 4

I think it has a little to do with both. Our emotions are something we can't really control. I know for a fact that I didn't choose to be gay. yet at the same time it seems impossible to be genetic.. Why are molested kids more likely to turn out GLBT? why are sons who have terrible relationships with their fathers more likely to be gay? i think past occurances has a lot to do with it. Like me.. I have never had a good relationship with my dad and I'm gay. Yet Ihad a girlfriend once and loved her.. Really loved her.

i don't think it's genetic at all. yet i don't think it's something we choose. i would pick "learned" but this could be a very heated debate.

Answer 5

Is the simple act of loving someone genetic or learned ?

Answer 6

http://web.archive.org/web/20130305034929/http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html

Answer 7

Is homosexuality genetic or learned?


We are hearing more and more that all the failings of man can be traced to some genetic problem we inherited at birth. Radical, fringe, scientists are now proposing that the pre-disposition to commit crime, sexual orientation or wife beating, for example, is determined at conception, while traditional scientists believe that men learn these things.

Jesus did not debate whether the nature of man is genetic or learned, but one thing is sure, He clearly defined what conduct is acceptable before God and that which is not. For example, the natural instinctive response to getting punched in the face is to punch back. Yet Jesus said, "Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also" Luke 6:29. Did you catch that? Jesus knew the natural way of responding was to strike back but called us to a higher spiritual standard. In spite of the way God made man, Jesus commanded us to rise above to the divine standard of conduct. Our instinct is to seek revenge when wronged, yet Paul, "Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, 'Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,' says the Lord" Rom 12:19. Christians are expected to act in a way differently than how God made us. "You have laid aside the old self with its evil practices, and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him" Col 3:9. "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed (Greek: metamorphosis) by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what the will of God is" Rom 12:2. This is the age old battle between the desires of the flesh vs. the spirit. (Rom 7:19) Changing our human nature to conform to God's divine standard is something all Christians struggle with. Christians aren't sinless, they try to be sinless. Like a student that was congratulated on his effort in achieving a 60% grade, God is less interested in our overall performance and more interested in the effort we put forth to imitate God. Christians aren't perfect, they are forgiven.

Saying "God made me that way" is no excuse for sinful conduct. One married man said, "I can't help my adultery, its in my blood, God made me that way". God placed certain desires in mankind for the opposite sex, but He asks man curb his natural desire to have more than one woman and stick solely with the one he married. So even if God did make man with an instinct to sin, we are asked to change. God has made many wonderful promises to us, but we must resist our natural desires. "He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, in order that by them you might become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust" 2 Pet 1:4. Yes, we may be born with a nature that causes us to sin. Yes, God may have made us that way. But we are expected to be born again, become a new creature, just as it says, "Therefore if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come" 2 Cor 5:17.


A Vaccine to prevent Homosexuality!

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New Study Confirms
Homosexuality Can Be Overcome
Findings Indicate that Those Who Want to Change Sexual Orientation Can Be Successful


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ENCINO, Calif.--May 17, 1997--Nearly 25 years after the American Psychiatric Association officially removed homosexuality from its Diagnostic Manual, labeling it a lifestyle choice rather than a psychological disorder, a California-based association of psychiatrists and psychologists has proven that homosexuals can change their orientation through intense therapy and a strong desire to change.
The National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) released the results of a two-year study this week in conjunction with its annual meeting of licensed psychologists and psychotherapists, social workers, family counselors, clergy and related professionals. The study was conducted among nearly 860 individuals struggling to overcome homosexuality and more than 200 psychologists and therapists who treat them. The survey was sponsored by NARTH; its data was tabulated by professionals at Brigham Young University.
"This research proves, once and for all, that the propaganda being spread by the gay lobby in this country has been without any basis in fact, and I suspect they've known it all along," said Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, a psychologist and executive director of NARTH. "We should stop telling young people and others struggling with homosexuality that they're stuck with it. Instead we should say, 'If you want to change, you can, like so many others who have.'"
The survey was conducted among individuals who were previously thought to be non-existent as a population; this study demonstrates that such individuals do exist.
Among the study's significant findings is a documented shift in respondents' sexual orientation, as well s the frequency and intensity of their homosexual thoughts and actions. Specifically, the survey indicated:
Before treatment, 68 percent of respondents perceived themselves as exclusively or almost entirely homosexual, with another 22 percent stating they were more homosexual than heterosexual. After treatment, only 13 percent perceived themselves as exclusively or almost entirely homosexual, while 33 percent described themselves as either exclusively or almost entirely heterosexual.
Although 83 percent of respondents indicated that they entered therapy primarily because of homosexuality, 99 percent of those who participated in the survey said they now believe treatment to change homosexuality can be effective and valuable.
As a group, those surveyed reported statistically significant decreases following treatment in the frequency and intensity of their homosexual thoughts, in the frequency of masturbation to gay pornography, and in the frequency of their homosexual behavior with a partner. Respondents also indicated that, as a result of treatment and sexual orientation changes, they were also improving psychologically and interpersonally.
Of the psychotherapists surveyed, 82 percent said they believe therapy can help change unwanted homosexuality. They further indicated that on average, one-third to one-half of their patients had adopted a primarily heterosexual orientation.
And more than 95 percent of the psychotherapists said they either strongly agreed or somewhat agreed with the statement that homosexual patients may be capable of changing to a heterosexual orientation.
At the time of the survey, 63 percent of participants indicated that they were still in treatment, having spent an average of three and one-third years (or 42 sessions) in therapy up to that point. Of the primarily Caucasian sample, 78 percent were men, 22 percent were women, with an average age of 37. Over half of the participants had never been married, and approximately one-third were married. Almost 90 percent of survey's respondents had a college education.
"Clearly this research validates homosexuality as a psychological condition, rather than a genetic or hereditary one," said Nicolosi, calling previous studies of the brain and genetic material the work of gay political activists. "As a result," he continued, "we must not turn our backs on those individuals who want to find a way out of homosexuality."
A qualitative portion of the survey confirmed Nicolosi's statements. Comments provided by respondents included:
"When I realized that homosexuality was a trap," one man stated, "I turned to others for help. My therapist and our relationship provided a model for appropriate male-to-male, nonsexual relationships, and taught me about appropriate touching, bonding and expression of needs."
Another man wrote: "I had been involved in compulsive behavior several times a week for eight years, from the time I left home and began living on my own. I had occasional physical encounters as well. Since joining a therapy group, I've had no recurrence of compulsive masturbation, no use of phone sex or pornography, with basically no desire to participate in those behaviors. The attraction to men lingers, but every week I participate [in] the group encourages me more."
A female respondent stated: "I never expected this much recovery. My relationships with men have greatly improved--I am able to relate sexually to my husband in a way I was never able to before. I'm learning to leave the familiar protective emotions of contempt, arrogance, pseudo self-sufficiency, anger and self-indulgence behind, and practice the emotions of love instead."
"Change is extremely difficult and requires total commitment," said a male respondent. "But I have broken the terrible power that homosexuality had over me for so long. I haven't been this light and happy since I was a child. People can and do change, and become free."
"NARTH will give a new voice to these individuals and the hundreds more who participated in our study," Nicolosi said, indicating that his organization intends to disseminate the survey's results to leaders in the religious, political and scientific communities. "As professionals, we cannot allow the American public to be deceived one minute longer. We must be allowed to reach out to those who want our help and help them. And we intend to continue to do so."
Founded in 1992, NARTH exists to make effective psychological therapy available to all homosexual men and women who seek change, primarily through referral services in the U.S. and abroad. Among the nonprofit organization's members are leading psychologists who lecture and publish regularly on the subject of homosexuality, its causes and its treatment. Its membership is open to all who share its ideals.
The National Association for
Research and Therapy of Homosexuality Fact Sheet
Organizational Background
In 1973--under intense pressure from gay socio-political activists, and without scientific evidence--the American Psychiatric Association voted to remove homosexuality from its Diagnostic Manual, and effectively silenced professional discussion of homosexuality as a disorder. Although modern psychology had considered the condition pathological for over 100 years, and all cultures have considered it deviant throughout recorded history, the official view of homosexuality changed overnight.
A campaign to make treatment of homosexuals unethical and illegal was recently set in motion by gay activists. Psychiatrists, psychologists or researchers who so much as suggest that homosexuality may be a changeable disorder are persecuted and labeled "homophobic" by the pro-gay lobby. Men and women--even teenagers and children--who struggle with homosexual desires and desperately wish to change have been blocked from finding the therapists who can help them.
There is only one clear and unequivocal voice in the mental health community which speaks out on behalf of homosexuals who want to change: The National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality. Against all odds, NARTH has made known the needs and desires of an ignored people, opened for public debate the questions surrounding the cause and treatment of homosexuality, and refuted the misinformation promoted by the pro-gay lobby.
The NARTH Track Record: A History of Success
Drs. Charles Socarides, Benjamin Kaufman, and Joseph Nicolosi founded NARTH in 1992 in response to a growing threat of scientific censorship. The organization has grown rapidly to include over 700 mental health professionals and concerned lay people.
NARTH has gained much ground toward achieving its goals. The pro-gay lobby has attempted to compel both the American Psychological and Psychiatric Associations to declare as unethical any type of therapy which encourages homosexuals to change. In both cases NARTH has stood as the only organized voice against this lobby.
NARTH continues to win numerous victories, large and small. NARTH is successfully defending the rights of men and women who wish freedom from their homosexual desires, and is combatting the misinformation about homosexuality that exists within American society today.
NARTH Goals
NARTH's primary goal is to make effective psychological therapy available to all homosexual men and women who seek change. Furthermore, the organization wishes to open for public discussion all issues related to homosexuality. NARTH wants to build an atmosphere which allows honest debate, free of politically motivated distortion, and stands ready to combat the pro-gay misinformation thrust upon the psychological profession and the general public.
To achieve these goals, NARTH's ongoing projects and services include:
An international referral service of licensed therapists offering sexual reorientation treatment in the United States, Canada, Europe and Australia.
Research.
A worldwide survey of homosexuals who have changed.
Review of scientific studies documenting the psychological factors associated with a gay lifestyle.
Review of the psychological literature documenting treatment success.
Lectures by respected mental health professionals.
Scholarly publications and literature for the general public.
Literature distribution into college, high school and community libraries.
Distribution of reliable and truthful school sex-education guidelines to parents which will refute the barrage of misinformation given to children and teenagers by the pro-gay lobby.
NARTH welcomes the support of all lay organizations, including religious groups, which turn to the organization for scientific evidence that may support their traditional doctrines. NARTH remains, however, a strictly professional organization devoted to scientific inquiry.