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i am a jew who is mad with facts!!!!
why does it say in the bible that jesus asked god to forgive him and noit have him crucified? why is jesus asking himself to forgive himself??? whats up with that???? this is soo unfair, why is everyone sin free because some one died??? whats the point in doing anything if everyone is sin free. if that were the case, wooohooo heaven for me!!!

2006-07-05 14:49:30 · 25 answers · asked by blah 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

25 answers

" IF " you "TRULY " want an answer to that ?, say a prayer to the same God of the Jew and Christain and ask Him to make the truth known to you. If you`re sincere, He Will !! Don`t trust replies you get on here, it could cost you your soul !!!!!!!!!!!
God be with you !!

2006-07-05 15:17:58 · answer #1 · answered by ldp8808 1 · 0 0

I don't know what Bible you have been reading, but mine doesn't say Jesus asked for forgiveness. It said he asked not to have to die. Then he said if it was his father's will that he should, Jesus would accept it, prefering that Gods' will be done.

Even Christians have problems with the concept of three persons in one. And the Holy Spirit surely is not a person. Jesus never spoke as if he were God. He called himself the son of God and always spoke of God in the second person.

He did one time say, "Who has seen me has seen the Father". But did he mean physically, or was he saying "If you know what I'm about, you know what God's about"

Trinity is such strong dogma in Christian sects that I won't get into the discussion, I'll just say Jesus didn't ask himself for forgiveness. Nor, as far as I know, did he ask anyone else for forgiveness.

As for dying for our sins, that does not mean Christians are sin free. We still must not sin. If we sin, we must have the realization that what we have done is wrong, and we must confess it to God. If we really regret what we have done, and ask to be forgiven, it will be so. If we sin again, we're right back where we started.

But he knows whether we regret sinning or not. And the regret must be for the sin, and not for the potential punishment. Those who sin, feel no regrets, but go through the motions of confession and seeking forgiveness; and then go out and sin again, are not forgiven.

In dying for our sins he only made it possible for us to have a chance at being forgiven and achieving everlasting life. He did not make us all sin free.

P.S. Forgive me for doubting that you are a Jew

And to JT - The only thing I can be certain about you is that you have zero knowledge of Christian doctine

2006-07-05 23:56:21 · answer #2 · answered by ALLEN F 3 · 0 0

Prior to the death of Jesus Christ the Jews were instructed by God to make a blood sacrifice of a lamb symbolizing innocence that then cleansed the people of faith of their sins. Christ came to earth as the Messiah. The savior of the world, the lamb of God. For him to be the ultimate sacrifice for man's sin he would have to live a perfect life. At the point of his realization of his death he did ask that "if this cup be removed from me" but that showed that he was human and subject to the very same feelings we might have facing our death and such a grisly death. He did not disobey and run away as many of us might have. He held his faith and faced death for the sins of the world. That does not mean everyone gets a free ticket to heaven. The bible teaches that by Faith are we saved by Grace. We have to believe in Jesus Christ as our savior and that has to be a true faith. Not just a, oh yeah, I believe, sure. It means truely believing in Jesus, AND then that should yield a difference in our works, our behavior, etc. I think we all know so called Christians that are no different than non-believers but even though our works cannot get us to heaven only faith can, what we do does indicate if we truely believe what we preach.

2006-07-05 22:11:58 · answer #3 · answered by jimmymac 1 · 0 0

I didn't think the Bible said that Jesus asked to be forgiven, the Bible said that Jesus was the only perfect person. And not everyone is sin free, the Bible says, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" -Romans 3:23
But, if we ask to be forgiven, and believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sins, and you also confess with our mouth that Jesus is God's son and God raised him from the dead, then you will be sin free, and will go to heaven, but not everyone has done that.

2006-07-05 22:30:51 · answer #4 · answered by beautiful disaster 2 · 0 0

Learn about the concept of GRACE my darling. Why do you keep asking the same question rephrased? Okay...if you really want answers, I will try to help you in the spirit of love. But, I hope that you will seek a teacher and one on one study. (2 Timothy 2:15)
1. No Christianity is not true, nor is it false. It is CHRIST who is true.
2. It is the separation from God the Father that Jesus could not bear to think of having to experience for a second. He knew He would have to bear ALL SINS and go to hell. He knew the Spirit of God had no desire to a. exist in such sin and darkness b. be apart from His son. He is asking that God forgive Him His desire of avoidance.
3. Read #2. That is what is up with that.
4. Salvation is COMPLETELY fair. It is a free gift. No purchase necessary. Yours for the asking or receiving. No obligation. BUT if you are truly repentant and grateful, you desire to please God, not to take this free gift for granted.
5. NO ONE is sin free! Romans 3:23 tells us that "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. It is not until we are redeemed from DEATH that we are sin free. Try your hardest and you will still sin: prayerfully not WILLINGLY, but that is man's nature and that is why Jesus died.
6. That is the case, my friend. See you there. Woo hoo!! is right. Peace.

2006-07-05 22:08:49 · answer #5 · answered by Sleek 7 · 0 0

Jesus asked God to "If possible, take this cup from me. Yet Your will be done." I don't think Christ was asking to be spared from crucifixion, but from what was even worse--that He would be turned away from the presence of God his Father, whom he had always been a part of...

We are not free from sin, just forgiven. When the Jews offered rams or bulls as sacrifices, they did so because they acknowledged that they had sinned and that a price had to be paid. Christ's death was the ultimate sacrifice, paid for you so that you may be reconciled with God. The curtain in the temple separating the most holy place was torn in two, Christ has bridged the gap between us and God. You have the choice to mock the bridge or cross it.

2006-07-05 22:07:07 · answer #6 · answered by alcachofita 3 · 0 0

As a Jew, you would most likely be familiar with the teaching of the scapegoat. The high priest would place his hands upon the scapegoat and confess all the sins of the people and then the scapegoat would be let loose in the wilderness. As a Christian, this is how I see Jesus, he took all of my sins upon himself. Also, you would be familiar with the passover lamb that was killed and the blood put on the door of the homes, in the time of Moses. Jesus, for a Christian, is the lamb that was slain for our sins. Forgiveness of sin does not make me want to sin more, it makes me appreciate God's mercy and grace and motivates me to live in a way that is pleasing to Him.

Hope this helps you to understand where we are comming from.

2006-07-05 22:02:48 · answer #7 · answered by godsgirl 4 · 0 0

Have you read the Bible? All the prophecy about Christ coming. All the verses about Christ. Jesus was sin free and was crucified for us so that our sins are forgiven. Thats where the analogy the blood of the lamb comes from. God wants us to obey his commandments. If you were a true follower of God then you would want to obey His commandments instead of doing everything wrong just to get away with it. God wants a real relationship with us, He does not want to be our scapegoat.

2006-07-05 21:56:22 · answer #8 · answered by A* 4 · 0 0

First, it is my personal belief that Christianity is based on faith in the Truth, and that it is through Christ alone is that we find the Way.

Second, Jesus, does not ask God the Father (note:the Trinity/three persons, one Godhead, separate in persons but united in God head, not three Gods, but one) to forgive Him, but rather He was making supplication and prayer to overcome the human will, that He may in all things be perfectly obedient to God the Father.

As you know, there is sin offering, and when Christ died He took the place of all the sacrifices in the temple. By His death, He rose above the sacrifice of Able, of Abraham, of the High priest and of all the children of Israel, from the first to the last. Even as the Hebrews posted blood on their door post at the first passover, so do Christians offer up His sacrifice as an atonement for their sins and for their salvation, because He has come that the scriptures may be fulfilled.

So...no, we are not all free from sin, even as many of the first born among the Hebrews were not freed from the plague of death that overcome Egypt, if they did not do as they were commanded and sprinkled blood on their door posts. Likewise, we are only free from sin when we offer up the lamb of God as our sacrifice.

2006-07-05 22:23:27 · answer #9 · answered by eckox2000 2 · 0 0

Have you read the Bible? He does not ask forgivness for himself, he asks it for the people who are crucifying him.

Everyone is NOT sin free, only Christ was, not us. He FORGIVES us our sins, but we are by no means sin free.

Dont try to prove a point when you have no knowledge of what you speak.

2006-07-05 21:57:41 · answer #10 · answered by sweetie_baby 6 · 0 0

NOBODY IS SIN FREE!!The only way people can get sin free,is by asking God to forgive us of our sins.And by thanking Jesus for dieing for us.And by having a relationship with Christ.Otherwise...you are going to hell...so sorry pal,but it looks like your not going to heaven unless you have a relationship with Christ the Lord.

2006-07-05 22:16:57 · answer #11 · answered by jesus~freak 2 · 0 0

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