The Pope and Purgatory?????

Question

I'm a bit lost on this one. I believe the KJV Bible and everything in it. Though I sin, and sometimes go against what is in the bible, that does not mean I don't believe the Bible/God's word and that Jesus died on the cross for my sins. With that being said, where in the Bible does it mention the Pope or Purgatory? It is just me or does the Catholic church need to reread the Bible?

Ok, now that all the answers for justifying the pope are BS. Just b/c someone tells you to believe something doesn't mean you should. BAD!

Now answer where purgatory is written in the bible and the catholic response to that?

Goin of the KJV. If God wrote in the Bible that he would protect his written word, then couldn't you assume that someone would add things that God did not intend to be writtten in the Bible. Since the Bible is God's written word and religion should be based off of God's word, not handed down oral religion, couldn't you say that the "Macabees" or whatever was not intended or really supposed to be part of the Bible at all? Maybe God had a hand in the Translations of the Bible into English and that the KJV is what we should base the christain religion on and not a "does what the pope thinks best" religion?

Thank you Ted Nardo

For TenaciousDDonna, I don't think it's "ripping on eachother" it's more like a question for people who believe something that they can't back up. If you knew someone and they believed in thier heart that 1+1=3, would you let them be knowing that they were wrong, or would you have the courage to stand up and tell them the truth?

"Now, how could a merciful God utilize that place to cut habitual sinners who might otherwise be nice folks, "a little slack" ... rather than sending them right to hell for all eternity?" quote from the longest entry. You said that purgatory is pratical? Why would Jesus die on the cross for our sins if purgatory is practical?

Tradition and Scripture are two very very different things. Comparing meatloaf to religion, ha. Scripture, the bible, is God's written word. Even if Jesus didn't say anything about scripture, didn't mean it wasn't to be. God had a plan, if the new testament wasn't written, how would we know of Jesus' sacrafice on the cross? Other than handed down stories, like you suggest. Heres an suggstion, make up a story, have 10 people stand in a line, only tell the first person and then have um send it to the next(all without writing it). By the time the message gets to the end, the story will be off the wall nonsense, much like the catholic church is today.

Answer 1

The first apostate religion in rebellion to God after the flood was in Babylon. The city and religion was started by Nimrod, who married his own mother. They had a baby who was born 40 days after Nimrod was killed. Semiramis said that the baby was the Resurrection of Nimrod. She also said she was a virgin; she knew Biblical prophecy. She took the titles of The Mother of God, The Virgin Mother, The Queen of Heaven, among others that is now bested upon Mary. Things that Semiramis started in this religion; priest would remain unmarried. To keep them in the faith, she provided them with "Temple Virgins" who were called by the Chaldean name "NUN". She also invented the idea of Purgatory, to extract money from families of departed loved ones. As this religion spread, the head priest in each area had the title of "Pontifex Maximus". When this religion got to Rome, each emperor of the Roman Empire two crowns. One was Emperor of the Roman Empire, and the second crown was that of Pontifex Maximus. In 312 AD, Constatine became Emperor of the Roman Empire, and Pontifex Maximus. In 313, he issued the Edict of Milan, calling Babylonialism Christianity and making it legal to practice. The Catholic Church embraced the title of Pontifex Maximus(Pope), the idea of Purgatory, and the symbols for Sumiramis.

The Catholic Church is an outgrowth of Babylonian paganism, and is the Women of Revelation 17 who rides the Beast, who is called Mystery Babylon.

There are no Popes and no mention of Purgatory in the Bible.

Answer 2

You must remember that Martin Luther was the fellow who, after the church already existed for 1500 years, decided to restrict his beliefs to only what could be found in scripture.

That was purely arbitrary. Even the bible doesn't make that claim for itself.

Another interesting fact is that, acording to the bible, there's no evidence that Jesus ever personally wrote a word of new testament scripture, or ever personally ordered the gospels or the epistles to be written.

Based on this complete lack of scriptural evidence, I suggest that, as good, bible only Christians, our only proper course of action is to discard the entire new testament as unbiblical.

Now let's look at purgatory in that same light.

The bible says that nothing unclean can enter heaven. The bible says that unrpentant sinners will go to hell. The bible says that Jesus will be our judge.

We also know that there is a third place, other than heaven or hell, where all the just from the old testament waited for their redemption. It was called the "Busom of Abraham".

No where in scripture does it say that this third place was done away with. Based on our best information, it still exists.

Now, how could a merciful God utilize that place to cut habitual sinners who might otherwise be nice folks, "a little slack" ... rather than sending them right to hell for all eternity?

Yes! God could take those who are habitual, unrepentant sinners, but who have the potential for reform, and send them out for a little retraining. If they do well there, in PURGATORY, then they can come back and get into heaven someday. The process could be accelerated if some of their friends who are already in heaven, and some who are still alive on earth, would volunteer to help them via PRAYER!

Due to the prayers and penances of the faithful, those in purgatory might receive a form of lenienacy, a partial pardon ..... an INDULGENCE of some sort, that could shorten their stay in Purgatory and get them back to heaven quicker. What a concept!

There is some old testament scriptural support in Macabbes for this type of scenario. The wide ranging authority granted the pope by Jesus also alludes to this possibility. (Something about "whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven.")

In any event, Purgatory provides a merciful, practical solution to the scriptural problem of God having only two choices as to where we go when we die.

While Purgatory may not be specifically mentioned, it's existence can be inferred from other biblical texts.

God gave his pope and his church the power to do such things. Even the power to make up new stuff (within limits) if it truly helps with Christs's ongoing work of redemption.

There's way more to the faith than you'll find in the bible. Always has been, always will be.

The church and its' Tradition, which has existed since Christ and the apostles (and which existed long before any new testament scripture was written, is capable of filling in any necessary "blanks".

One more thing, neither Scripture or Tradition are
above one another. They complement and illuminate each other.

If you don't understand how that Tradition works, try to figure out why your mom's meat loaf always tastes so much better than yours ... even though you both use the same recipe!

Tradition makes the difference. The little nuances, known only to your mom, an extra pinch of this, a certain way of doing that, which, like the nuances of the Holy Spirit, as he guides his church, make all the difference in the "eating".

The only church that has all the answers and all the tools that God gave us for our salvation is the Catholic church.

You bible only guys have been deceived. You're following false premises proposed by false teachers, all in an exaggerated response to the ordinary, predictable, sins of some of the fallible men who run the Catholic (as well as your own) church.

Grow up! Get over it. God already has.

The sooner we get real and all get back on the same page, the sooner we'll start taking this world back from the devil. Right now, divide and conquer is working for no good.

Answer 3

First off the KJV of the bible wa created in the 16th centurary. And the bible came about in the 4 th centurary by the Catholic Church. BEfore that everything was oral tradition. Purgatory is found in the books of MAcabees wich is in the old testament of the bible. The pope is clarly stated. The word pope is not used but giving the authority to peter the first pope is. Pope means papa as the head of the Church like a father. You may think where is Macabees? well Martin luther took books out of the bible becasue they contradicted his teachings. Letter of James talks about doing good works not just faith alone. So who ever follows the teaching of Luther is in error becaseu they pick and chose what to believe. Allso look historically the catholic Church was around at the beging what about the others? Um no. Think on that

Answer 4

No. He can't toss out good Church education. Purgatory is supported by using both scripture and custom. that is not likely everywhere. The pope did make it sparkling that limbo isn't an good education of the Church and not in any respect has been. inspite of the actuality that he left open the prospect that it would want to exist. even if, limbo and purgatory are 2 thoroughly diverse issues altogether.

Answer 5

First the KJV is not the bible you should be using. You should use a bible that contains the 7 chapters your bible is missing (such as the New American Standard Version).

Purgatory: "But if someone's work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only as through fire." 1 Cor 3:15. "So that the genuineness of your faith, more precious than gold that is perishable even though tested by fire, may prove to be for praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ." 1 Pet 1:7. The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines purgatory as a "purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven," which is experienced by those "who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified" (CCC 1030). It notes that "this final purification of the elect . . . is entirely different from the punishment of the damned" (CCC 1031). The purification is necessary because, as Scripture teaches, nothing unclean will enter the presence of God in heaven (Rev. 21:27) and, while we may die with our mortal sins forgiven, there can still be many impurities in us, specifically venial sins and the temporal punishment due to sins already forgiven.


About the Pope: Jesus said to him in reply, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven" (Matthew 16:17-19). The Catholic Church believes the Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the "rock" of his Church.

Answer 6

If Peter is the first pope, then he is also Satan! Mat 16:13-23. In verse 13 Jesus is asking His disciples who people thought He was, in verse 15 He asks the disciples who they thought Hi was, in verse 16 Simon Peter said "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." (17)Then Jesus says to Simon Barjiona (Peters real name): for flesh and blood hath not revealed this unto the, but my Father which is in heaven." in verse 18 "... Thou are Peter (Jesus names him Peter), and upon this rock I will build my church( Jesus is referring to vs. 16),...." (19) "and I will give unto thee (the disciples) the keys of the kingdom of heaven..." For those who have had High School English, this would be a good time to put that useless information to good use. There is no such thing as purgatory, that is a pagan belief, of which the Catholic church is full to the brim with.

Answer 7

+ Pope +

Jesus said to him in reply, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." (Matthew 16:17-19)

The Catholic Church believes the Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the "rock" of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.

Pope Benedict XVI is the direct successor of Peter, the first Pope.

+ Purgatory +

"But if someone's work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only as through fire." 1 Cor 3:15

"So that the genuineness of your faith, more precious than gold that is perishable even though tested by fire, may prove to be for praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ." 1 Pet 1:7

Are you perfect now? Most people would say no.

Will you be perfect in heaven? Most people believe yes.

Purgatory (or purgation) is the process of God's love changing our imperfect selves into perfect beings. Depending on the amount of change needed by different people this can be an easy or slightly harder process. Everyone in purgatory is on their way to heaven. I don't think Mother Teresa of Calcutta had a very hard time of it.

With love in Christ.

Answer 8

There is no such things as pergatory, if you check the history of that belief you will find out how rediculous it is to start with.

"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." Ecclesiastes 12:7.

The body turns to dust again, and the spirit goes back to God, who gave it. The spirit of every person who dies--whether righteous or wicked--returns to God at death.

The Bible speaks of heaven:
"Wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city." Hebrews 11:16.

The Bible declares that God is building a great city for His people. And this city is as real and literal as any you have ever known.

Answer 9

It doesn't.
Purgatory is made up by the Catholics for those who had led a "not so good" life. With monies donated to the church and "much prayer" through the rosary, the Catholics "hold the power" to release you from purgatory and enter heaven.
Jesus preached heaven and hell. that's it. Done.

Answer 10

The catholics also say that mary prays for our sins.

i'd like to see that one in the bible, since she herself called her son insane.

There are many things that religion adds to the word of God, for the sake of controlling people and the traditions of man.

But any church does this, not just the catholic church.