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No. Sin does not exist in the real world. Sin is "the disease invented by various religions so that they might sell you the cure." Sin has no meaning outside of religion. Only people who think there is sin can sin. Note though that sin and morality are different things, despite what you have been brainwashed into thinking. To sin is to disobey god and then condemn yourself for it. What if god told you to do something that was immoral? No, the cop-out of "God would never do that" will not work. Remember Abraham being told to sacrifice his son? On the whole, the sin claim is merely an assertion and not an argument.
may I ask why "Christians" center their life around the son of god? hell even your name is derived from his name you people take to much importance in his son you dont even care about the real god naybe Jesus was the antichrist who is making you people pay more attention to him than god oh and by the way why would god make his only son atone for our sins with blood? isnt he an all loving god?
The argument from morality says that without god, we cannot have a moral code and/or that we would simply be free to rape and kill and steal and/or since we have moral law, there must be a moral law giver. Many times, the person so stating it says "If there was no god, I would go around killing people, etc." That is an indictment of that person and not of humanity as a whole. If that person feels such, in no way does that translate to the whole of humanity having to feel that way. They also come to the problem of Euthyphro's Dilemma. Put simply: is something good because god says so, or does god say something is good because god can judge it good via an objective standard. In the former, morality is a subjective dynamic based upon the whim of the deity, where what was wrong today may not be wrong tomorrow, and in the latter there is no need of god to give us a moral code since there is an objective standard apart from god.
"The tomb is empty--it proves Jesus was resurrected and thus god!". Don't make me laugh. Show me peer-reviewed medical journals that say resurrection is possible and I might believe you. Plus, the "rolling the stone away" bit? Nuh-uh. Round stones on tombs were only for the wealthy until 70CE. 3 days? Did you know that the 3 days was actually for the family (Jewish custom) to come to the tomb every day for that length of time to make sure the person truly was dead? Has nothing to do with any prophecy of resurrection.. In fact, we learn in Origen Contra Celsus that there was a story going around at that time that the disciples had absconded with the body.

Why do the resurrection accounts differ greatly, i.e. who sees who where first, and where did Jesus go afterward and what did he say. Doesn't add up.
"Look at all the prophecies Jesus fulfilled. He must be the savior!" Oh really? Let's look at some common ones:

No, there is no virgin birth prophecy. Is 7:14 reads with "ha-almah", which means "young woman". "Bet'ulah" is the Hebrew term for virgin, and it is used later in Isaiah, so the author of Isaiah certainly knew the difference. Then there's Is 8:3, which has that child mentioned in Is 7:14 being born. Is 9:6 refers to that same child of Is 8:3.

Is 53 deals with Israel, not some savior.

Ps 22 does not read "pierced". "Ka-'ari" means "like a lion"

There is no prophecy of the savior being in the ground 3 days and coming back. Judaism in fact has no dying and rising savior story.

Look at Is 9:1-2 and then look at Matt 4:12-16. Notice something amiss? Yeah. The author of Matthew chopped part of Is 9:1 out. Talk about manufacturing a prophecy to fit your needs!

Micah 5:2 refers only to that the savior's lineage comes from Bethlehem, not that he would be born there. That is to say, the savior is of the Davidic line, and Jesus wasn't of the Davidic line!

Those are just some of the crap "prophecies". You're better off not trying the rest.

He was the savior/messiah? Really? Certainly not the Davidic messiah, which is the messiah spoken of in the old testament. Jesus is more of an Hellenistic messiah, not a jewish one.

According to the OT, the Davidic messiah will bring the earth the full knowledge of the lord (Is 11:9). That hasn't happened, so obviously Jesus wasn't the Davidic messiah.

What happened to Jesus before he was crucified? He was physically abused (Matt 27:26,29, Mk 15:15,17, Jn 19:1-2; 20:25). According to Paul, the circumcision that Jesus received was like "mutilation" (Phil 3:2). Lev 22:18-25 states that the blood-atonement sacrifice must be physically unblemished. Jesus therefore could not have been a valid sacrifice.

Lev 22:19 states that the sacrifice must of an animal, and Lev 11:26 states that any non-cloven hooved, non-cud chewing animal that has digits on its feet (e.g. toes) is unclean. Jesus, being a human, is unclean and unfit for sacrifice (Jesus was fully human in order to be killed). Ergo, Jesus could not have been a valid sacrifice.

Lev 16:18-19 says the sacrifice must be made in the temple and the blood must be spilled on the altar. Was Jesus killed in the temple and his blood spilled on the altar? No and no (no, calling his body the temple is not valid. It must be the real temple). Ergo, Jesus could not have been a valid sacrifice.

Jesus was killed by the Romans. According to Ex 29:9, only the line of Aaron are the priests, and only the priests may make the sacrifices. Ergo, Jesus could not have been a valid sacrifice.

Did Jesus die from bloodshed? No. Crucifixion kills by asphyxiation or shock. According to Lev 17:11, the sacrifice must die from blood loss (exsanguination). Ergo, Jesus was not a valid sacrifice.

What method was used to kill Jesus? Crucifixion. How is a valid sacrifice killed? Via "shechitah", which is:

"Ritual slaughter is known as shechitah, and the person who performs the slaughter is called a shochet, both from the Hebrew root Shin-Chet-Tav, meaning to destroy or kill. The method of slaughter is a quick, deep stroke across the throat with a perfectly sharp blade with no nicks or unevenness. This method is painless, causes unconsciousness within two seconds, and is widely recognized as the most humane method of slaughter possible. Another advantage of shechitah is that ensures rapid, complete draining of the blood, which is also necessary to render the meat kosher. The shochet is not simply a butcher; he must be a pious man, well-trained in Jewish law, particularly as it relates to kashrut. In smaller, more remote communities, the rabbi and the shochet were often the same person."
Kashrut: Jewish Dietary Laws

Was Jesus' blood given only for the jews? Nope. Not a valid sacrifice.

Did Jesus rebuild the temple and gather in the diaspora Nope. That's something the Davidic messiah should do, and Jesus didn't. Ergo, Jesus is not the Davidic messiah.

Research for this topic taken mostly from Jews For Judaism

2006-07-03 20:06:24 · 22 answers · asked by Spetsnaz 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

I belive in god Im just confused about his son and I do have a life I copied and pasted this stuff shees

2006-07-03 20:18:11 · update #1

22 answers

While I agree with much of what you said, are you really accomplishing anything here by baiting Christians?

2006-07-06 06:54:48 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

i'm no longer a Christian, yet i have examine plenty by utilizing them and about them. the superb protection of the Trinity that i have examine is by utilizing Dorthy Sayers. She makes use of analogy, for sure, and compares the doctrine of the Trinity with an author. An author receives an concept (God the daddy) he/she does no longer somewhat comprehend the position the conception comes from and does no longer totally comprehend it until eventually he/she starts writing (the conception transcends the tale). because the tale is written, it takes on a existence of its own and the author can not merely write something or it could be gibberish. the author contains an section contained in the tale the position it would make experience to the plot to jot down him/herself into the tale. the author, even as nonetheless being outside the tale writes a personality into the tale (this can be Jesus, second man or woman of the trinity). the author has the nature act and do precisely as he/she would and what takes position to the nature will be counted upon the tale being written; the conception. finally, you examine the tale and it potential something to you. the author has communicated a message to you in some way. The message is the holy spirit. Dorthy Sayers became a buddy of C.S. Lewis and he or she wrote some good secret novels as well as some Christian apologetics.

2016-10-14 02:39:48 · answer #2 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

Pretty sure I'm not gonna waste an hour reading that question, but I can tell you that if God asked me to do something that went against what the Bible said then I'd do it. And when he asked Abraham to sacrifice his son, he was testing his faith. You could finish that story, or not, but I will by saying that God didn't let him do it. He stopped him. So, if God says to do something then I do it. And Jesus is praised so much because he died for me, and without him I am filthy with sin. Yes sin... something that God talks about in the Bible. Things that make me feel guilty and dirty. I'm sure that if way back when, God decided that murder wasn't a sin, I wouldn't feel bad about doing it, but he didn't. SIn is sin is sin, and btw.... take some research from a Christian group so you're not bias... thanks:)

2006-07-03 20:13:45 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

I think the real issue is that so many people believe blindly they actually lose what it is that they believe in. I see everyone saying that what is written here for the question was way to long or I'm not going to read that tells me you are willing to believe something that someone else tells you to be fact without every reviewing all the information in front of you. Religions depend on this and they call it faith.

2006-07-03 20:23:53 · answer #4 · answered by sdo3lg 4 · 0 0

Jesus paid a debt he didn't owe because we owe a debt we can't pay! What a wonderful thing this man called Jesus has done for us!

It's such a simple plan! You have two choices, accept the gift by Faith, that Jesus Christ died so that your sins are forgiven...Or if you don't believe, then you will have to pay for your own sins, which means being without God for Eternity!

2006-07-03 20:27:51 · answer #5 · answered by Judelite 2 · 0 0

."I’m doing fine. I don’t need God."

Many people feel this way because of the modern gospel message. It says that Jesus will help their marriage, remove their drug problem, fill the emptiness in their heart, give them peace and joy, etc. In doing so, it restricts the gospel’s field of influence. If the message of the cross is for people who have bad marriages, are lonely, and have problems, those who are happy won’t see their need for the Savior.

In truth, the forgiveness of God in Jesus Christ if for people with bad marriages and people with good marriages. It is for the happy and the sad. It is for people with problems and for those without problems. It is for those who are miserable in their sins, and for those who are enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season. Those who think they are doing fine need to be confronted with a holy Law that they have violated a multitude of times. Then they will see themselves through the eyes of the Judge of the Universe and will flee to the Savior.



The Christian is no better than a non-Christian, but he is infinitely better off. It is like two men on a plane, one of whom is wearing a parachute while the other is not. Neither is better than the other, but the man with the parachute is certainly better off than the man who is not wearing a parachute. The difference will be seen when they jump from the plane at 20,000 feet.

Jesus warned that if we "jump" into death without Him, we would perish. Even harsher than the law of gravity is the Law of an infinitely holy and just Creator. Scripture states that sinners are God’s enemy (Romans 5:10) and that "it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Hebrews 10:31



"I’ve tried to read the Bible, but I can’t understand it."

The Scriptures tell us that the "natural man" cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God. Most Americans would find it difficult to understand the Chinese language. However, a child who is born into a Chinese family can understand every word. That’s why you must be born again with God’s Spirit living within you (John 3:3). The moment you become part of God’s family, the Bible will begin to make sense.




What God did...
Think of it this way... Imagine you're in a courtroom, you're guilty of many serious crimes. The judge says, "It's a fine of $500,000, or prison." You don't have anywhere near that amount of money, so the bailiff begins to walk you out of the courtroom when someone you don't even know appears. He runs up to the judge with a check and says, "I've paid the fine for you." Now that the fine has been paid, the law no longer has any hold on you. You're free -- because of the gift you were given.
This is what God did for you by sending Jesus to die on the cross in your place. So that you wouldn't have to go to Hell, God sent his only Son, Jesus, to die on the cross -- suffering the punishment that justice demands. Then He rose from the grave, forever defeating death! The Bible tells us, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16) If you will repent of your sins and put your trust in Jesus, God says he will forgive all your sins and grant you the gift of everlasting life. Just like the court case we just talked about, if you repent (that means to confess and forsake your sins) and put your trust in Jesus, then you will not have to suffer God's justice in Hell because the payment for your crimes was made by Jesus on the cross.
If you're not sure what to pray, read Psalm 51, and make it a model for your prayer. The words are not "magical," what God cares about is the attitude of your heart. When you pray, it should sound something like this, "Dear God, I repent of all my sins, such as (name them). I put my trust in Jesus Christ as Lord (to say Jesus is your Lord means you are now making Jesus the master over your life) and Savior. Forgive me and grant me your gift of everlasting life. In Jesus' name I pray. Amen."
Now read your Bible daily, and obey what you read. God will never let you down.
What should you read? We suggest that you start in the book named "John," and then read the one named "Romans." Whatever you decide to read, make sure you read every day.

2006-07-03 20:13:18 · answer #6 · answered by I_Need_Help 3 · 0 0

he gave his life for us so that we may repent and be free from our sins so we may be saved that nonsense you spouted just doesn't even make sense most i couldn't read as it was nonsense but good luck you will need it and God Bless you and he will someday this is my prophecy to you and then you will know why he is praised so much just be sure you are willing and ready to accept his gift as it will come when you least expect and then give the man his dues

2006-07-03 20:21:50 · answer #7 · answered by katlady927 2 · 0 0

mm. i am almost sure that reason, logic, and even tangible "proof" are not enough to move you enough to praise Jesus.

it's in your heart where the battle lies. and as for those who do praise Jesus...it's also something inexplicable that lies in the heart. as for all the bickering in the Bible and definitions and even more books written on whether or not it's valid....eternity itself is probably not enough time to come to one final conclusion where everyone is persuaded.

but then, i have faith in this Jesus. and this Jesus has brought me through death, and life to the utmost extent, and a love that i otherwise could not have felt. so i praise Him with all my heart...through faith.

2006-07-03 20:14:17 · answer #8 · answered by alphajet7 1 · 0 0

Whatever posessed you to write a book. That is way too long to read the whole thing. Get a life already.

2006-07-03 20:10:53 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

damn...im not reading all that.

hes praised so much because the religion hes affiliated with gives people empty promises of eternal life in trade for faith and beleief. so naturally there gonna try and kiss his a*s to appease him and raise their chances of going to their heaven.

2006-07-03 20:10:31 · answer #10 · answered by johnny_zondo 6 · 0 0

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