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Question

if God can do anything like your bible says keep reading and answer this question: god created this planet that is a big rock, god can pick this rock up with one hand if he so chooses, god can create bigger rocks, now the question, and you must really think on this one, not the all ready preformed answers that you get in books but think....can god create a rock so big that he cannot pick it up?

ok so im behind the times allright already. you can't have it both ways if the rock is to big or he can't make the rock to big either way you loose.

you people still don't get it. if he CAN pick it upthenHE CANNOT make it large enough. all i hear is"such and old question" yes it is and you still don't think, all you do is give the same OLD answer that your grandfathers gave.

Answer 1

You should really do some research on Answers before asking a question. This one is so old it isn't even funny. Personally, I have answered it so many times that I saved the answer because I knew it would come up again.

Read on:

God and Omnipotence
The paradox of the stone, as presented by Wade Savage:
1. Either God can create a stone that God cannot lift, or God cannot create a stone that God cannot lift – there are no other possibilities.
2. If God can create a stone that God cannot lift, then there is at least one thing that God cannot do (i.e., lift that stone).
3. If God cannot create a stone that God cannot lift, then there is at least one thing that God cannot do (i.e., create that stone).
4. From the combination of 1, 2 and 3, it follows that there is at least one thing that God cannot do.
5. If God is omnipotent, then God can do anything.
6. Therefore, God is not omnipotent.

What this argument apparently shows is that omnipotence is impossible (or, that the notion of omnipotence is incoherent). Thus, God cannot be omnipotent (as nothing can be).

Suggested solutions to the paradox St. Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274):
Aquinas defines as “absolutely impossible” any thing where the “predicate is altogether incompatible with the subject” (his example: “man is an ***” (in the non-metaphorical sense)). With this in mind:
Whatever implies contradiction does not come within the scope of divine omnipotence, because it cannot have the aspect of possibility. Hence it is more appropriate to say that such things cannot be done, than that God cannot do them.

That is, to be omnipotent involves being able to do all things that are possible. For example, it is not considered a limit to my powers that I cannot draw a square circle. That’s impossible, so it’s no failing that I can’t do it – it cannot be done.

BUT: surely I can make a thing that is too heavy for me to lift, so that task is not impossible, so if God can’t do it, that really is a limit to his power.

George Mavrodes (1926-):
Mavrodes responds that although “a stone too heavy for Simon Cushing to lift” is not a contradictory notion, “a stone too heavy for an omnipotent being to lift” is a contradictory notion.
Mavrodes’s argument in full:
1. Either God is omnipotent or he is not.
2. If God is not omnipotent, then the fact that he cannot do something (either make or lift the stone) is unsurprising.
3. If God is omnipotent, then, by definition, there necessarily cannot be a stone that is too heavy for him to lift (otherwise he would not be omnipotent).
4. If there necessarily cannot be such a stone, then it is an impossibility.
5. By Aquinas’s reasoning, even an omnipotent being cannot perform impossibilities.
6. Therefore, by definition, inability to create a stone too heavy for one to lift is no barrier to being omnipotent. (In fact, only non-omnipotent beings can create objects too heavy for themselves to lift.)

BUT: both Aquinas and Mavrodes assume that God cannot do impossible things. Is this right? Descartes, for one, thought not. Descartes believed God could make 2+2=5. Why? Because otherwise you are suggesting that God is bound by the laws of logic. But if God created the laws of logic, why should he be bound by them? Couldn’t he have made them differently?

Harry Frankfurt:
However, if we assume that God can do impossible things, then God can create a stone too heavy for him to lift (which is supposedly impossible). Furthermore, if he can do that, then he can go one stage further and lift that stone (also impossible – but what’s the difference between doing one impossible thing and doing two?)
BUT: doesn’t that mean that the stone he created was not a stone too heavy for him to lift, and that we’re back to the situation of him being unable to create such a stone? Not according to Frankfurt:
If an omnipotent being can do what is logically impossible, then he can not only create situations which he cannot handle but also, since he is not bound by the limits of consistency, he can handle situations which he cannot handle. [256]
That doesn’t seem to make sense – but that’s because “sense” is limited to logical possibility.

To recap:
There are two options for an omnipotent being:
1. Omnipotence means the ability to everything that is logically possible but nothing that is logically impossible. In this case, by definition, an omnipotent being can lift any rock, and therefore “a rock too heavy for an omnipotent being to lift” is an impossibility. In that case, however, inability to create such a rock is no barrier to omnipotence, because no omnipotent being can do the impossible.
HOWEVER: why limit omnipotence to logical possibility?
2. Omnipotence includes the ability to logically impossible things.
In this case (says Frankfurt) an omnipotent being could create and lift a stone too heavy for him to lift, both of which are impossible, but that’s no problem for somebody omnipotent!
HOWEVER: taking this option removes the discussion from one that makes sense to humans, because it allows God both to exist and not exist at the same time, or to sin and be good at the same time.

Can God sin?
Similar problem: if God can sin, then he is not wholly good. But if he can’t sin, then he is not omnipotent.

Suggested solutions
Aquinas: Two options
Either: it’s true to say “If God wants he could sin”, which allows that he can sin. But he won’t ever because (by his nature) he will never want to.
Or: God can do absolutely anything, rape, murder, whatever, but by definition, because he defines what is good, if he did it it would be good. (This is essentially the Divine Command Theory – or perhaps, the Divine Action Theory.)

William of Ockham:
Again, assume that an omnipotent being can only do what is possible. Also assume that the definition of “sin” is “whatever is opposed to God’s will”. To sin, God would have to will what is opposed to his will, which is impossible. Thus, the fact that he cannot sin doesn’t prove he’s not omnipotent.

Answer 2

God created the world so therfore the rock is not so big that God can not pick it up. If that was the case then the world as god made would not have come to pass.
There is no rock to big for God to pick up with one hand.
the rock is all of the people he made.

Answer 3

No----Matthew 19:26 tells us: " Looking them in the face, Jesus said to them: “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
And our planet earth is not just a big rock. It was created as mankinds home and there is no other planet like it in the universe.
It is the only planet that can sustain life and gives evidence of God's power.

Answer 4

Problem is that your "test question" Lacks some very important information concerning God and His Nature. His omnipotence is not independent of his nature, they are combined. His omipotence is part of his nature. His attributes Must operate within his nature as does everything. His omnipotence is directly connected to who he is (His nature). Now that we have this point cleared up concerning Gods nature, we must realize since his omnipotence must be consistent with what he is not what he is not. God can only do those things which are consistent with his nature, For example (God cannot Lie). But, Just because he canot Lie dosent mean he isnt God and that he isnt all powerful. Another example that is the Fact That God cannot cease to be God. he cannot without violating his own nature. So since God Cannot do anything that would violate his existence, he cannot make a Rock to heavy for himself to pick up. With this said thou, that dosent mean that he isn't Omnipotent. Omnipotence By definition is Not the Abillity to Do anything Possible to do, Rather By specific Definition it is the Abillity to Do anything consistent with His nature and with His desires and His will andHis unlimited innfinant Power which we are unable to posess. If he did something that vilated his Nature he would be self contradictory. And since truth cannot be self contradictory, if God did something Condradictory he would be untrue, he would'nt be God.
I Hope this clears Up all the confusion.

The Bible say's when we die we will stand Before this God of infinant power and be Judged By Him. The ten Commandments will be His standard so Let's Look at a Few to see How you do.
Have you ever told a Lie? Have you ever stolen something? Ever Looked with lust? Ever used God's Name in vain? If you have said yes to these your guilty of breaking Four of the Ten Commandments (Im Guilty Also). The Problem is that You Have broken His Law And the Bible say's if you and I are found Guilty on The day of Judgement we will end up in Hell. The Good news is that Jesus came and sufered and died on the cross for your sins and mine. If you repent (turn from sin) and put your faith and trust in Jesus God will grant you everlasting life.

Answer 5

If you believe in the Trinitarian God, then yes.
God the Father created many rocks that God as Jesus couldn't have lifted when He was on earth in human form, since he had only an average person's strength.

Answer 6

Psalm 1
Happy those who do not follow the counsel of the wicked, Nor go the way of sinners, nor sit in company with scoffers.
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3 Rather, the law of the LORD is their joy; God's law they study day and night.
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They are like a tree planted near streams of water, that yields its fruit in season; Its leaves never wither; whatever they do prospers.
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4 But not the wicked! They are like chaff driven by the wind.
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Therefore the wicked will not survive judgment, nor will sinners in the assembly of the just.
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The LORD watches over the way of the just, but the way of the wicked leads to ruin.

Answer 7

easily, extra advantageous literacy costs have been appropriate to the Bible - "by employing the mid-18th century, the skill to study and understand translated scripture led to Wales having between the optimal literacy costs. This grew to become into the effect of a Griffith Jones's device of circulating colleges, which aimed to enable actual everyone to study the Bible in Welsh. further, a minimum of a million/2 the inhabitants of 18th century New England grew to become into literate, possibly as a effect of the Puritan perception interior the importance of Bible analyzing. by employing the time of the yankee Revolution, literacy in New England is stated to have been around ninety%"

Answer 8

How many times has this question been asked??? The answer is, God can create anything He wants, and He can pick up anything He wants. He can do anything.

Answer 9

I agree with Chapelite.
purposely creating a Catch 22 that you know there is no answer to, just so you can call yourself "stumping the Christians"
but nonetheless, here goes my answer.
I don't think it's possible for God to create anything greater than Himself. no matter how much creating He did, He would always be two steps ahead, and it would never catch up to Him.

Answer 10

True but if Bush keeps sucking oil out of the Earth at a fast rate it will become a flat rock.