Nope, what the answer above mine is talking about is a class of people foreordained.Not particular individuals.
Rom. 8:28 Now we know that God makes all his works cooperate together for the good of those who love God, those who are the ones called according to his purpose; 29 because those whom he gave his first recognition he also foreordained to be patterned after the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 Moreover, those whom he foreordained are the ones he also called; and those whom he called are the ones he also declared to be righteous. Finally those whom he declared righteous are the ones he also glorified.
Notice that the ones foreordained also still had to be called. This supports my point that this is a class of people.
2 Peter 1:10 says: “Do your utmost to make the calling and choosing of you sure for yourselves; for if you keep on doing these things you will by no means ever fail.” (If the individuals were predestinated to salvation, they could not possibly fail, regardless of what they did. Since effort is required on the part of the individuals, it must be the class that is foreordained. God purposed that the entire class would conform to the pattern set by Jesus Christ. Those selected by God to be part of that class, however, must prove faithful if they are actually to attain the reward set before them.) JUst some points to consider.
2006-07-03 06:02:29
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answer #1
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answered by Tim 47 7
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Genesis 21:12-13; Exodus 9:16; Exodus 33:19; Deut. 4:37; Deut. 7:7-8; Deut. 10:15; Deut. 32:8; Joshua 11:20; 1 Samuel 12:22; 1 Kings 12:15; 1 Kings 20:42; 2 Kings 19:25; 2 Chron. 6:6; Job 23:13-14; Psalm 33:12; Psalm 65:4; Psalm 78:67-68; Psalm 78:70-72; Psalm 105:17-22; Psalm 135:4; Proverbs 16:4; Isaiah 44:1-2; Isaiah 44:7; Jeremiah 1:4-5; Malachi 1:2-3; Matthew 11:25-26; Matthew 20:16; Matthew 20:23; Matthew 22:14; Matthew 24:22; Matthew 24:40-41; Matthew 25:34; Matthew 26:24; Mark 13:20; Mark 13:22; Mark 14:21; Luke 4:25-27; Luke 8:10; Luke 10:20; Luke 17:34-36; Luke 18:7; Luke 22:22; John 6:37; John 6:39; John 6:44-45; John 15:16; John 15:19; John 17:2; John 17:6; John 17:9; John 21:23; Acts 1:7; Acts 2:23; Acts 2:39; Acts 2:47; Acts 3:18; Acts 4:28; Acts 13:48; Acts 17:26; Acts 22:14; Romans 1:6; Romans 8:28-30; Romans 8:33; Romans 9:7-33; Romans 11:5; Romans 11:7-8; 1 Cor. 1:26-29; 1 Cor. 2:7; Galatians 1:15; Ephes. 1:4-5; Ephes. 1:9-11; Ephes. 2:10; Ephes. 3:11; Col. 3:12; 1 Thes. 1:4; 1 Thes. 2:12; 2 Thes. 2:13; 2 Tim. 1:9; Titus 1:1-2; James 1:18; 1 Peter 1:2; 1 Peter 1:20; 2 Peter 1:10; Jude 1:4; Rev. 13:8
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Predestination God’s work in ordaining salvation for people without their prior knowledge.
2006-07-03 06:44:09
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answer #2
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answered by Red-dog-luke 4
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Romans 8:29-30 tells us, “For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.” Ephesians 1:5 and 11 declare, “He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will…In Him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of His will.”
2006-07-03 06:01:58
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answer #3
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answered by Anonymous
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sure for sure you've your undesirable and your strong enable me grant you with some examples instantly from the bible: Lucifer became a angel concept he became above god grew to change into devil he made a foul decision. Adam and Eve residing a strong existence until eventually they wanting to eat from the forbidden tree they made a foul decision. Now enable me inform you this you could make a foul or strong decision stick with god or flow to hell sorry to be so blunt. And sure i'd get some thumbs down yet i trust this to be real, is there something incorrect with someone having a which potential for existence and following faith, does no longer atheist and scientist be doing an same even as they communicate about the large bang idea about how we were once germs, then fish, then monkeys and all issues evolution. We merely trust we've a father contained in the sky searching for us, what's incorrect with that? by utilizing the way both your grammar is off or your info. Your moves are determined by utilizing strong and undesirable danger, you weigh the undesirable with the strong and decide, social gathering, in case you do not flow to varsity you're marked truant yet you probably did not study for that try do you stay homestead and study or do you get marked truant. making a decision depending on the strong vs. the undesirable nicely a minimum of for the non-christian having pronounced that Christians do an same. modifying: I forgot to teach nowhere contained in the bible does god say he will make each and every decision for us, that's because he would not particularly he courses us like a ascertain or a instructor.
2016-10-14 02:12:11
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answer #4
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answered by restrepo 4
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bRad took the words right out of my mouth. Yes the Bible does mention predestination. The old testament also speaks of God knowing us before we were in our mothers womb. I'd say that also points to predestination.
Also: "For I know my thoughts and plans for you, says the Lord..."
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Predestination is for both group and individual. How can it be for groups only? Each member has to be predestined as well on an INDIVIDUAL basis to the "predestined" group"
It's all in the Word...check it out.
Taste and see that the Lord is good...
Be blessed.
2006-07-03 06:06:11
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answered by motherbear 3
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I know this is long but if you seriously have questions about it, this is the debate below. Arminianism Vs Calvinism. Hope it helps.
Arminianism
There are five main tenets of Arminianism: 1) God elects or reproves on the basis of foreseen faith or unbelief, 2) Christ died for all men and for every man, although only believers are saved, 3) Man is so depraved that divine grace is necessary unto faith or any good deed, 4) This grace may be resisted, 5) Whether all who are truly regenerate will certainly persevere in the faith is a point which needs further investigation.1 (Compare with Calvinism)
Calvinism
A system of Christian interpretation initiated by John Calvin. It emphasizes predestination and salvation. The five points of Calvinism were developed in response to the Arminian position (See Arminianism). Calvinism teaches: 1) Total depravity: that man is touched by sin in all parts of his being: body, soul, mind, and emotions, 2) Unconditional Election: that God’s favor to Man is completely by God’s free choice and has nothing to do with Man. It is completely undeserved by Man and is not based on anything God sees in man (Eph. 1:1-11), 3) Limited atonement: that Christ did not bear the sins of every individual who ever lived, but instead only bore the sins of those who were elected into salvation (John 10:11,15), 4) Irresistible grace: that God's call to someone for salvation cannot be resisted, 5) Perseverance of the saints: that it is not possible to lose one's salvation (John 10:27-28).
2006-07-03 06:29:07
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answer #6
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answered by Billy B 2
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Yes. Just as the poster cited to scripture above, so the Bible mentions predestination. Interestingly, however, what is predestined is a group, and not individuals.
2006-07-03 06:03:28
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answer #7
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answered by Hannah J Paul 7
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to be predestinated is to be chosen by God before the creation of the earth...he chose people to be his sons before they were even born and yeah there's verses in the Bible that mention it
2006-07-03 06:03:55
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answer #8
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answered by luv muh baby 3
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Ro 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Ro 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
2006-07-03 06:06:02
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answered by His eyes are like flames 6
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Check Romans and Ephesians.
2006-07-03 06:59:26
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answered by Anonymous
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