Chrisitians...if you quote Old testament...?

Question

which prescribe the death penalty for a wide variety of acts other than murder? Dont all of the following warrant execution?

* (a) striking your father or mother (Ex.21:15);
* (b) kidnapping (Ex. 21:6 RSV);
* (c) cursing your father or mother (Ex. 21:17 RSV, Lev. 20:9);
* (d) touching a mountain (Ex. 19:12 RSV);
* (e) allowing your ox to gore someone (Ex. 21:29);
* (f) lying with a beast (Ex. 22:19) RSV, Lev. 20:15-16);
* (g) sacrificing to other gods (Ex. 22:20 RSV);
* (h) failing to observe the Sabbath (Ex. 31:14-15);
* (i) drinking strong drinks while in the tabernacle (Lev. 10:9);
* (j) committing adultery (Lev. 20:10 RSV, Deut. 22:22);
* (k) lying with your father's wife (Lev. 20:11 RSV);
* (l) lying with your daughter-in-law (Lev. 20:12 RSV);
* (m) committing homosexual acts (Lev. 20:13 RSV);
* (n) being a medium or a wizard (Lev. 20:27 RSV);
* (o) being a witch (Ex. 22:18);
* (p) being a priest's daughter and becoming a whore (Lev. 21:9 RSV);
* (q) Blaspheming the name of the Lord (Lev. 24:16);
* cursing (Lev. 24:14 RSV);
* (s) coming near the priesthood (Num. 3:10);
* (t) being a stranger who comes near the congregation's tabernacle (Num. 3:38);
* (u) gathering sticks on the Sabbath (Num. 15:32-35);
* (v) serving or worshipping other gods (Deut. 17:2-5 RSV);
* (w) showing contempt for the Lord's priest or judge (Deut. 17:12 NIV);
* (x) failing to obey one's parents (Deut. 21:18-21);
* (y) not being a virgin on your wedding day (Deut. 22:20-21 NIV);
* (z) being a betrothed virgin who did not cry out when seduced (Deut. 22:23-24);
* (aa) having relations with your wife and her mother (Lev. 20:14);
* (bb) telling people to seek other gods (Deut. 13:2,5); and
* (cc) being a false prophet (Deut. 18:20).

Answer 1

You've gotten the usual responses here, that say "The Old Testament is replaced by Jesus. We don't follow that anymore."

Tee hee hee

Ok, well first of all, yes you do. But just like all Christian circular logic, you confound yourselves, and talk in circles. You'll quote the Old Testament when it serves your purpose, but then say it no longer applies when it doesn't.

This is just one of the many glaring problems with modern Christianity, but it's an important one. And I like to use this when Christians try to debate with me. In most cases, as an atheist, I can simply let Christians talk. I normally don't have to argue at all. I just have to point out each time that they inadvertently argue against themselves.

This usually ends with the Christian stomping off in anger, offended by my stubborn attitude, and my "inability" to understand faith.

Answer 2

Ignorance is usually bliss, but in this case, it can be downright dangerous.

The Old Testament is a tutor. It was designed to teach us what God's holiness requires. The other thing it teaches is that no one (not even Christians) are righteous (except through Christ's righteousness). Let me first quote from that mean Old Testament first:

Ezekiel 20:25: "And I also gave them statutes that were not good, and ordinances that they could not live by..."

And now the New Testament:

Acts 15:10: "So why do you test God by putting on the disciples' neck a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we could carry? We certainly believe that it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ that we are saved, just as they are."

Galatians 3:24-25: "And so the law was our tutor until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith. But now that this faith has come, we are no longer under the control of a tutor."

I'm afraid your argument just doesn't hold water. God made those laws to demonstrate His holiness. People were to be filled with horror when these sins happened, because they knew God's strict judgment.

Unfortunately, God's standards still apply today. Those who are not in Christ, will be judged by the Law. The only way to avoid being judged according to that Law, is to have had Someone else served your time for violating it. (The penalty for sin is death, (Romans 6:23) That's why Jesus came. He paid your penalty for your sin. He swapped His pure life for your filthy one. Good trade if you ask me. I took advantage of it.

Answer 3

He did not replace the guidelines. He fulfilled them. The guidelines contained in the OT were given to the Jewish usa. now to not any human beings. They were part of a covenant or contract between the Jews and Jehovah God. They were to be his human beings. regrettably they disobeyed and genuinely rebelled hostile to God. finally they killed God's personal son. by killing God's son they presented an end to the guidelines and the contract they'd with Jehovah. earlier Jesus died he made a sparkling covenant or contract with all his trustworthy followers no remember what race or usa they were. This became favourite first with Jesus' apostles on the nighttime of the perfect supper. Jesus gave us 2 guidelines to adhere to. to love God with all of your heart, soul and recommendations and to love your neighbor as your self. in case you obey those 2 guidelines then you would not be breaking any of the others. you've already replied your own question by posting the verses in Matthew. study those verses back. a million. He fulfilled the guidelines. once you fulfill something then that is done is it no longer? You fulfill a contract skill you achieved that contract. The guidelines were to be obeyed until eventually the messiah got here. Jesus became the messiah. be conscious: What does Paul tell the Roman congregation? Rom. 7:6, 7: “now we were discharged from the regulation, because we've died to that by which we were being held quick . . . What, then, lets say? Is the regulation sin? not in any respect would that change into so! extremely i don't have come to carry close sin if it had no longer been for the regulation; and, as an party, i don't have known covetousness if the regulation had no longer stated: ‘you would possibly want to no longer covet.’” (right here, on the instantaneous after writing that Jewish Christians were “discharged from the regulation,” what party from the regulation does Paul cite? The 10th Commandment, subsequently showing that it became coated contained in the regulation from which they were discharged.)

Answer 4

The Old Testament was given under the dispensation of Law in which there was no physical presence of God on Earth due to man forfeiting his authority away at the Garden of Eden. Therefore, all the things you mentioned were the only ways to purify the people by the law of God in His physical absence. The only place God could be viewed on Earth at the time was behind the veil of the Temple and the high priests had to make absolutely certain that they didn't have any sin in their lives when they entered God's presence or they were struck dead. When Christ died on the Cross, it made it possible for the Law to be superseded. We still are held accountable by the Law, but under the New Testament dispensation of Grace that we live in today, we only sacrifice our old way of life and live the Christian lifestyle as a means of escaping the penalty for our sins. If we refuse to do so, then our actions judge us accordingly and condemn us to Hell. We don't have to die physically for our sins; only spiritually. If we DID have to die under penalty of law, there'd, be no one left!

Answer 5

Wow...I bet that question took a long time to ask. Fortunately I have a short answer. When speaking in the terms of "the death penalty" as you put it, the majority of the passages you referenced are in regard to sin, and eternal death...not the guillotine. For an example, if you lie with a beast, it is a sin so therefore you will not have eternal life in heaven. When you die, you die, like an Atheist beleives. Thankfully, God realized that his laws where so very strict, that we Mere rodents called humans couldn't begin to have the perfection he demanded. So he sent Jesus Christ, to take the punishment for us.

Answer 6

Yes, those acts waranted the death sentance according to that law. But I have to agree with strausseman- The Levitical law was fulfilled with Jesus' death and resurrection and replaced with a "new law".

The "new law" requires more self control and more mercy than the "old law". The "new law" (Christianity) allows for repentance, the opportunity to change, gives us the ability to make use of Jesus' sacrifice and become better. If these acts aren't fully repented of, then yes, spiritual death (damnation) will occur.

Answer 7

Matthew 22:34-40 (NIV):

34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Experts on the Law precede you by 2000 years. Catch up with Christ!

Answer 8

Christ's death on the cross completed the Old Covenant and created the New Covenant.

We are now saved by grace and are no longer bound by the Levitical Law. Thank God!

Answer 9

Because (real) Christians are not subject to the old laws, having been released from the burden of the law by Christ's death, your question is inapplicable to us.

However -- since you're an unbeliever, God's Word says this is the standard to which YOU will be held.

Answer 10

Ok, Jesus Christ came to fullfull these and many other laws.

Meaning , he went before the judge and stated that he was willing to die in our place for these sins.

Should we still have the death penalty today, not from old testament passages.

But if you are not a follower of Jesus Christ, then you are still under that law, and the death penalty would still be in play for you.

Answer 11

The same as why Christians don't practice the Jewish external rites and rituals anymore. The Jewish religion was commaned to do all things in the external form.

Paul said these works of the law passed away and Paul was correct about that.