I have different views than the current Supreme Court apparently, so I don't have any legal backing for what I'm saying. I believe that there is nothing in the Constitution that seperates the church from the state. The "seperation of church and state" was mis-interpreted in my opinion by the Supreme Court. This is mis-interpreted, because there has been a movement in the United States to abolish religion entirely. What they are actually trying to do is turn it around so that religion is abolished. First, they convince the citizens that the Consitution is there to prevent you from ever being unwantedly exposed to religion, especially in any goverment function down to the city and county levels.
This is actually contrary to the First Amendment, which is the greater "right" reckognized by the Consitution. The First Amendment protects the God given right to freedom of expression. I say God given, because that is where the rights come from, but if you don't believe in God, it's saying that there is such a thing as right and wrong, and it would be wrong to prohibit people from freedom. The First Amendment also protects the expression of your religion, and in my opinion this also protects your freedom of expression of your religion in the workplace, whether it be the government, or in private. So we are so far from that interpretation in our Supreme Court, that if we came up with a new law prohibiting Gays from marriage, it would end up in the Supreme Court, and the anti-religious agenda would surely overturn that law and say it's un-constitutional. So maybe we should first, instead of arguing about little laws that are of no effect, we should educate the people while we still have that freedom, about the God given, not government given, right to express your religion, and opinions, regardless of who think's it's appropriate. But right now, our freedom of religion is being stomped on by lawyers and judges, taking down crosses from hills, when they were intended to be memorials for soldiers who fought and died to protect our God given, not government given rights. How can that be right? The majority of the people don't care about these issues anyway. We just need to remind people that there is such a thing as right and wrong, and that those rights don't come from the government. Eventually all things will be brought to justice. And it will not be brought to justice by the UN, or the US Constition. In my opinion it will be brought to light by the Creator. I'm just a little concerned that conservatives are getting off track here, and are focusing on minor battles, when there is a huge war against evil to fight, and that is done by letting people know the truth. We need to win the hearts of people, especially "gay" people, who as it says in the Bible that God loved us while we were yet sinners." Leviticus does show God's detest for going against what he designed by nature, but there are deep issues behind homosexuality, wounds, and other things, that they desperately need Christ, just like we do.
I'm getting tired of this "gay" bashing, and I'm afraid it's looking hypocritical to those who don't understand the greater mysteries of God.
2006-07-02 18:50:27
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answered by The Bible (gives Hope) 6
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You talk about sanctity of marriage.
That was lost long ago, and "men and women" were the ones that defiled it.
I think marriage is an unnecesary and archaic ritual, I personally don't believe in it. But, if someone wants to get married to the one they love, I don't think any religious group should really have any say over it.
Marriage was not given to the Christians By God. It existed before in cultures that had not found the Judeo-Christian gods. So, why put a restriction on who is allowed to marry and who is not?
Just because the Judeo-Christian God said "MARRIAGE IS FOR A MAN AND A WOMAN!", does not mean that someone else's god said it, too.
You don't know you're right, why impose your beliefs on someone else? Maybe you're making them sin in their god's eyes?
Do you ever consider the other side of the scenario?
I don't mean this in any disrespectful way, I am being sincere.
I truly do not understand why the Judeo-Christian perspective is so ingrained with the law, when the law is supposedly there to represent "the People"... "The People" are not all Christians. There are alot of other religions, and forcing the Christian belief on other religions is... Not really cool. Respect one another, you know?
I don't force my religion on anyone. I just try to encourage tolerance and understanding... It's a much less violent and harsh approach than condemnation or war, even.
Sorry, I ramble. You wanted to know what we thought, that's what I think.
2006-07-02 18:32:45
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answered by happy-dance 2
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It actually says the same thing about people who eat pork. Pork eaters are damned to hell according to the bible. Should we be literal about this? But bottom line is don't judge others lest you be judged. And who is to say whether gays or pork eaters should marry or not. But I digress...just what was your question?
Hey did you know it did not always say in God we trust on the Dollar bill? Only when the US starting printing money in such vast sums(and giving away) that the face value of the bills outreached the amount of Gold and Silver the US treasury had. There was once a time when you could go to a bank and turn your money in for gold and silver. When It was obvious that was unsustainable from an economic prospective they stopped printing Silver certificate bills switching for the "In God we Trust". Interesting that a government should use gods name in vain. But don't be surprised that a government or an institution should try to control the masses through faith based doctrine. That's been happening way before the bible was written. In fact So many people have edited the bibles various texts from its original version(Governments/clergy/secret societies) that you can't make a claim of its complete authenticity. Lot's of great stuff in there though, but best read with a grain of salt and trust your inner wisdom. I'm sure it's in there some where. Did you know also that China has more US dollars Than the US does? Maybe we should put "In China we trust" on our money and let their gov. decide who gets to eat pork and who gets to get married and have 2 kids.
2006-07-02 18:31:14
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answered by logonrich 1
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"What fire the dragon spews."
Trahnel
God sanctified the marriage of a man and a woman. How can anyone desacntify that? Any other union would be an imitation of God's original plan. If there is no sanctification involved in an alternative union then there cannot be a desanctification, only an imitation.
Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. Colossians 4:5
2006-07-02 18:40:21
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answered by BP 4
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The federal government shouldn't be in the marriage business. There should be two separate institutions, church and state. The government should not give a marriage any sort of legal standing. Instead everyone will have civil union agreements which is only to clarify rights and status in law. Churches can still marry people as they see fit.
2006-07-02 18:30:02
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answered by I ♥ Evil 4
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ok unless you have the original text you are reading something that was interpreted.. and often interpretations were wrong.. as for the King James "version" that is proven to be the most perverted interpretation of the original - with many many changes to suit what he thought should be the morals of that time...
didnt God say "love thy fellow man"?
God isnt so quick to hate all his children..
I still have failed to see why anyone would be against marriage between two men? it seems we break a TON of Gods rules without much worry but everyone freaks out over this tiny little one, which really hurts nobody...(unlike Adultery which occurs so much its disgusting but sort of no body really freaks out unless it happens to them)
ps.. I am a woman married to a man but still dont know why people are so stupidly fighting the rights of some people to be happily married - WHAT DOES IT HURT???
2006-07-02 18:28:29
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answered by CF_ 7
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"In God we trust" is a motto of a sort, not a law. As far as I know, it has no legal effect. I am not religious, and I don't see why a particular religious point of view should have any bearing on the legality of marriage. In fact, I think there are a lot more important things to worry about, matters of war, economics, and environment. I don't think we should spend our time worrying about preventing others from entering into marriage. Continually bringing it up seems like a political ploy to distract people from focusing on the big important problems that are more difficult to resolve.
2006-07-02 18:28:24
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answered by sjcamike 2
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In Canada, it's legalized - what's sad is that a Christian, and he considers himself a devout Catholic (others disagree with his statements), rammed it through legislation.
On a Christian basis, I do not agree with it - it's in the bible and it's stated very clearly that God does not want homosexual acts in any shape or form. He doesn't mince words on this topic at all. What Jesus brings to the table is to say 'Love the sinner, hate the sin' - which we are all called to love one another regardless of our acts, but this does not mean we agree with or condone those acts.
In Canada, a lot of us are just trying at this point to make sure that the government won't force us to do something we just morally cannot agree with.
Luckily, we have a new Prime Minister who wants to put it to a real vote - it wasn't last time, it was forced down our throats.
2006-07-02 18:35:27
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answered by Anonymous
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Isn't that sort of like saying, I have nothing against blacks or women, but they shouldn't be allowed to vote?
Our country doesn't have an official religion, buddy. That's the rule; I didn't make it, our founding fathers did. If you want to outlaw something because there's some dusty old religious rule against it, maybe you should go and find a country where Christianity IS the official religion, mm?
2006-07-02 18:41:41
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answered by ? 4
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To all these people who promote homosexuality,
your theology sounds a lot like the Spirit of the Anti-Christ!
Using Christ & Love & Hate as your rallying cry!
Trying to convince people to violate their bodies with Sin.
Do you not know that you are
Teaching people to violate the Temple of God with Sin
which is where the Holy Spirit dwells!
So then are you not sitting in the temple of God,
saying that the Christ you have just created is God.
But in reality it's the Anti-Christ!
2006-07-02 18:35:54
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answered by fzaa3's lover 4
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I totally agree with you on this, if the insurance companies want to allow benefits, and other institutions want to provide benefits for same sex relationships I say what ever. Let them do it. However, when comes to marriage I am totally against it for the very same reason, God says no. My oldest brother in law is a wonderful man, whom is gay. I dont judge him based on his sexual preference, I see him for the great guy he is. He has a partner, however I would never want to see my brother married in the way that God intended unless my brother in law met a great lady that made him happy. But I dont think that is going to happen. Reality. However in my heart what God says I have to adhere to.
2006-07-02 18:36:35
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answered by authorunknown1 2
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