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I asked the question again to clarify the previous question.

note: the bible was compiled by the Catholic Church during the king James era. Paul was the first pope of the Church.

2006-07-02 17:03:27 · 18 answers · asked by VAVAV 3 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

sorry i meant peter

2006-07-02 17:13:30 · update #1

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I hope you don't think all other Christians are against Catholics. I disagree with a lot of what catholics say (like Paul being the first pope), but I think we have more in common, then we don't have in common and we have to remember those things we do share.

2006-07-02 17:08:12 · answer #1 · answered by plebes02 3 · 0 1

I also wondered why Protestants often accuse Catholics of "Bible Atrocities" which seem illogical when you consider the fact the Bible was complied and preserved for about 1300 years before Protestantism was even a dream.

Lets consider the history of the Bible:
It was originally written in Hebrew in stored in scroll form. Later approx 600BC a Greek translation was created which was considered as religiously significant as the Hebrew version. By the very nature of storing the bible (in scroll form) and the fact there were many "books" of Hebrew Scripture and not in what would be an offical canon today, we find many variations of what would be complied into the offical Old Testament canon.

Its also interesting to note that in Judaism writting a narrative about an old testament storyof lets say, the Creation of Man, which was more like biblical fiction was considered perfectly acceptable in that culture. And today we will often see old books from this time with creation stories dealing with juedo mythology such as Lilith. Hence when Christians (and later Jews) began to narrow down Books these stories where removed.

When the NT was complied into Codex form (a first century AD invention) the church had to sort though hundreds of letters, gospels and books. Since the church existed before the bible their was the problem of Gospels being used which was not in accordance to when another chuch might use, therefore for the sake of unity an agreed apon Bible needed to be made. We know of various gnostic gospels, and some letters from apostles and their is even evidence that the four evangelical gospels went through a few edited editions. Some books (gnostics) were removed, some letters where also removed (some where gnostic others where incomplete plus where redunant) and eventually a list was decided apon.

The Bible was probably written first in Greek, which is appropriate since the Greek OT was used and most writtings where already in Greek. Soon a Latin translation was created and later a Vular Latin (latin of common people) was written. With the end of the Roman empire the Bible generally retained its Latin form although there are several offical translations made in the Middle Languages. Common language bibles where rare due to the production time, cost and the fact the people who could read would know Latin. However translations of books were available by the priest and the Bible was indeed accessable to the Public (most of whom where illiterate)

There were a few councils in the Middle Ages which decided if certain books where appropriate in the Bible. I believe in the 1300s it current form was made offical. Common Language bibles from the catholic church began to be made in the later middle ages and where produced en masse in the 1500s.

Its a common misconception that Catholic were forbidden to read translations, however the church opposed certains translations which they fell short of the original latin or was entirely re-written.

2006-07-03 10:45:38 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

To begin with, the Bible was not compiled by the catholics and Paul was never a pope. He was an apostle, not a pope. Popes did't come to be until after the early church had comprimised and fallen away from the original foundation and pattern which is found in acts, chapter 2. King James didn't do a thing as far as the bible is concerned. In old england the bible was not in english but in latin and noone was suppose to understand it except the pope and the bishopes etc. There was a man whos name escapes my memory, he translated the bible to english from the latin and he wa warned not to do this but he did it anyway. He was eventually murdered and King James took his works and claimed them for his own thus calling the bible the King James Bible. Christianity has a bloody history. Look into it and you will see for your self how it has misrepresented the character of the God of heaven for so long and has mis informed so many people as well. The bad thing is that there are people who are truly seeking to do gods will but are stuck in that dead religion that has the blood of many on its hands.

2006-07-02 17:19:30 · answer #3 · answered by ammoconfidential 3 · 0 1

No, Peter was the first Pope; Paul was never the pope and he and Peter didn't get along too well. The bible WAS compiled by St. Jerome in the fourth century.

I'd like to know why other Christians bash Catholics and don't consider them Christian as well. (Not you, Don S, you're just a nut.)

2006-07-02 17:09:24 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Christians, true christians shouldnt be bashing anyone. We're all sinners according to the Bible. The great divide with catholics and christians is much deeper. There are foundational differences, that create this huge debate, angst, anger. Paul was not the first Pope. I have never read in catholic or christian history that this was accurate. There is much more to your question that one line can answer. But i'm a christian, i dont believe everything the catholic doctrine teaches is biblically correct. I hope you can find the truth your looking for.

2006-07-02 17:09:51 · answer #5 · answered by glowchild7 3 · 0 1

Paul was not the first pope of the Catholic church, even by their own fake history. They claim Peter was the first pope.

Constantine invented a brand new religion and it has no relation to what early Christians taught, believed or practiced

You are correct that Trinitarians are following the same false doctrine as Catholics, so they might as well join the original pagan church.

2006-07-02 17:09:18 · answer #6 · answered by Left the building 7 · 0 1

First, I am catholic. Yet, I know that the catholic church has done some things that I am not proud of, in fact I am downright sad about. Just today, I read that court ruled that the archdioscese doesn't own the churches in its boards to keep lawsuits from siezing the local churches to settle the case.

I think that the church did it to itself. It is the worst of the good old boy society, elevating one of their own rank who basically promises to uphold the same conservative doctrine that was there previously.

True reform and reconciliation among all the churches can't happen until we realize that there is only one God and the differences we have are minor.

2006-07-02 17:10:57 · answer #7 · answered by recoveringscientist 1 · 0 0

Oops! This is, I'm sorry to say, incorrect. The canon was not decided by the RCC, but had already been established in the minds of NT era Christians and Jews before the end of the first century, and there is historical evidence that there was a fairly strong knowledge of what was and wasn't canonical by the end of the second century AD.

2006-07-02 20:45:22 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

I guess I don't understand your question. I'm not Catholic but I sure as heck dont bash ANYONE! Thats about the silliest thing Ive EVER heard as a matter of fact theres prolly a lil over 700 people who attend my church and I can definitely tell you that Ive never heard ANY of em say anything negative about ANY religeon.

2006-07-02 17:09:10 · answer #9 · answered by Angel B 3 · 0 0

You need to better research your Church history. Catholics and Christians do not read or learn from the same Bible. Catholics believe that Mary is devine, and Christians believe that while Mary was greatly blessed and favored by God to be chosen to give birth to The Savior, she was not afforded any type of divinity nor any supernatural abilities. And she does not possess any authority in heaven. To pray to her violates the first and second commandments. John 3:16 says that God so loved the world that He gave His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believed in HIM, (not prayed to His mother), would not perish, but have everlasting life. It also says that no person comes to the Father except they first establish a relationship with Jesus The Son, not Mary the mother. The Bible,(Christian Bible), also says that Jesus, because of His sacrifice on the cross, is the only one who has the authority to forgive sins. Catholics believe that priests can give them foregiveness of sins, but only the one who has committed no sin,(Jesus), can forgive sins. Catholics believe you have to go through Mary to get to Jesus, but Jesus said, "Come unto me, all you who are weary and heavy laden," not see my mother first. They, (Catholics) display statues and likenesses of men and pray to them, which is a blatant violation of the second commandment. Also, once a person leaves this world, they are not allowed to return, and they have no communication with those here, and though the "saints" have great rewards in heaven, the ability to answer prayers is not one of them. There are many such discrepancies between the Catholic Religion, and the Christian Church. Also, Paul was an Apostle, not a Pope, and Peter started the Church. Jesus told Peter, "Upon this Rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it." Peter's name was Simon, but Jesus changed it to Petra, which means 'Rock".

2006-07-02 17:53:32 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0 2

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