I know someone who is here on a student visa which permits them to be employed by someone else for up to 20 hours a week. However I know that on many occaisons they not only work more hours, but are also self employed (again, a breach of their visa conditions). This in effect means that someone who IS allowed to do the same job/ who IS permitted to be self employed, is not receiving the protection of the law, and is perhaps suffering loss of income. Should I report the person who is breaching their visa conditions, and to who?
2006-07-02 05:02:14 · 37 answers · asked by Anonymous in Politics & Government ➔ Immigration
"If this person is self employed, how are they 'stealing self employment' from someone else? How does that work? Most people are not self employed because its too much hassle."
Okay heres how. A person who is legally able to be self employed cannot get the same contract that has just been given to someone else .. can they now? The same conract cannot be awarded TWICE! And as for the red tape of setting up your own business.. well I don't believe its a proper business. I don't even think this person has been paying taxes! What do you think now?
2006-07-02 05:14:34 · update #1
Oh wow! Some of you have made this person out to be some kind of model student who everyone would be please to know!!! I've deliberately left that information out so far.. If I mention that everyone who gets to know this person ends up trying to get away from them, this person is a selfish user of people and abuser of trust, obnoxious, self centred spends their income on things that are nice to have instead of the rent and then expects everyone else to cover for them.. now what do you say?
2006-07-02 05:28:42 · update #2
okay,.. lets add some more details. This "student" has been in my country for something in excess of ten years now studying various courses. Well I say studying but they actually spent considerable time not being a student and a lot being self employed, and doing very well with it too. They've had ample time to return to their country of origin (not a third world place I add) to use the skills they've acquired but just seem to prefer it here. Now what do you say?
2006-07-02 06:56:29 · update #3
oh my god yes report them 100% this is why our society is like it is! it shouldnt be allowed! i think you should
2006-07-02 05:06:59 · answer #1 · answered by jessicacalvey 4 · 3⤊ 0⤋
You already know how you feel so why ask others for their opinion? This isn't a real question, you are just banging a drum about immigrants.
Where is the wrath against the employer who forces people to go "self employed", otherwise he won't give them any work? I take it you are going to cheerfully drop him in it too, otherwise you don't have a case against this person when you report them.
You still don't get it, for every one job that exists there is one person who can be employed; one person having that job does NOT "do anyone else out of" having that job. That is just an attitude.
If you've got a thing about immigrants working in your country then campaign against the employers! They refuse to pay even minimum wage or meet minimum standards of health and safety; thats why they employ illegal immigrants. That way you improve conditions for everyone. If there were no dodgy employers there'd be no situations like this in the first place.
2006-07-02 05:10:27 · answer #2 · answered by sarah c 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Personally, I don't think I could. Who knows what the ultimate consequences for this person would be. However, again, ultimately, there could be severe consequences for someone else- eg the person is an unqualified mechanic doing repairs on cars. He mis-aligns somebody's brakes. If you really feel you must do something, rather than report the individual, just tell the authorities that you might have seen somebody, maybe, worknig at x place and let them do the legwork. Be aware also that by knowing about this and not erporting it, you may yourself be guilty of an offence if it comes out at a later stage that you knew but did nothing.
2006-07-02 05:11:13 · answer #3 · answered by big_fat_goth 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Don't forget that tens of thousands of students from this country work over 20 hours a week - this is because they have to pay for tuition fees and student loans.
I was lucky when I was an undergraduate in the early 1990s as grants were still around before the Tories got rid of them.
You should be defending this man, not reporting him.
2006-07-02 09:17:39 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Its okay to say live and let live,but the truth is there are far too many people working illegally and usually for poor wages.The knock on effect of this is that it will eventually push wages down as people legally entitled to work will be forced to work for less money because the threat will be"if you wont work for that price..then i know someone that does...."Basically the black labour economy affects us all whether directly or indirectly and more should be done to stop this illegal labour,so i say report them!!!!Its one thing for someone to be here as a student but another to be taking jobs from others and abusing an already crumbling system
2006-07-02 05:57:37 · answer #5 · answered by Mick H 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
This is a sad day in the history of existence; I never thought i will see the day when someone will be persecuted for being hard working.
Who ever you are you need to check yourself out because the only reason why you want to do this is because you feel inferior to the person. THE ONLY REASON YOU ASKED THIS QUESTION IS BECAUSE YOUR CONSCIENCE TELLS YOU ITS IMMORAL TO REPORT HIM/HER. All you want from us is an absolution believe it or not the moral people of this community will not absolve you. I think its about time we start to look at what is wrong with us the white community rather than blame the immigrant whether legal or (illegal) for all the ills in our community. If our ancestors hadn't dealt in slave trade may be the situation would be different now. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND. We did not obtain entry clearance before going into their continent to colonise them so why should they need a visa to get into our country or have we back paid them for their forefathers hard work ?or paid for all the valuables stolen from their land. DONT YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF HISTORY OR MORALITY?
2006-07-02 06:43:22 · answer #6 · answered by THE DON 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Of all the crimes in the judicial system, of all the despicable, horrible acts one could commit, you focus on work? How dare the bastard actually put forth a little hustle, a little more effort to accomplish a goal. Since this is a free country and all, feel free to interpret " life, liberty, and the pursuit of hapiness" as YOU see fit. It's not like the person could hire them for work when they are on the other side of the border.
2006-07-02 05:27:22 · answer #7 · answered by frofus 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Under an education visa, the student can hold a work permit under special circumstances, are you sure you are in possession of ALL the facts??
If they are in breach of their visa, then yes it is your duty to tell them you plan on reporting them unless they comply with the terms and conditions of their visa. Talk to the person first though.
You report them to the department of state immigration services failing all else.
2006-07-09 02:31:45 · answer #8 · answered by ? 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
No ... put yourself in his shoes... Who is ihe hurting... he is just getting off his *** and putting in effort socan afford to go out and do the things you are...
Whats wrong with that...
if you report him you wreck his studies and course and ruin his life for what?
If you want to report someone report them for mugging old ladies, robbing banks, being a drunked yob...
This is someone who is working harder then your lasy *** to make a better life for himself and his family...
Mate you need to learn that rule rules may not always be fair or right...
What makes you so specail...???
Maybe he is trying to make ends meet, afford glasses, school books, food better then pot noodle and baked beans
Those people can find other work or how about this... maybe the reason why the student has the job is he is smarter, better behaved and working harder then the local lets get pissed round the boozer and not bother working.
Why should he be poor and not able to go out to the same nightclubs as you?
Mate how much money does 20 hours a week get you?
lets see about enough to afford rent on a room if that... what about clothes, haircuts, etc... how about being able to get a girl out on a date or a present for someone...
Therefore he aint morally wrong but if you report him you are...
He has not hurt others... you destroy his life as he got off his *** and worked harder then you...
If I knew you Id be ashamed
2006-07-02 05:22:32 · answer #9 · answered by Joey 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
YES! report them! First they say we wanna live here then they try to threaten us by going on a big strike that never really affected anyone (or at least it didnt affect me), then they go screaming that we're racists because we dont want them in our country! THEY ARE ILLEGAL!!!! look up the word and make a decision. They are taking the jobs of NOT EVEN AMERICANS but the COLLEGE EDUCATED people trying to get in LEGALLY!! I know plenty of the people that have college educations and work full days and did all their paper work but it took them 5 YEARS to get in because of our expanding population. ALSO Illegal immigrants are responsible for a majority of the crime in this country at least in the cities close to its borders. Look at the cities with the highest crime rates, i believe it was 7 out of 10 were in close proximity to our Mexican border. ALSO, Look at the EFFECTIVE wall with actual security etc. built in San Diego, CRIME DROPPED 50%!!! IS THAT NOT ENOUGH TO TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE BAD FOR THIS COUNTRY!!!??? You dont believe me? GOOGLE IT!!!
2006-07-02 05:24:24 · answer #10 · answered by Mehrunes Dagon 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Report this person? Of course! No question here. Obviously, this person is not a true student and taking advantage of the system.
2006-07-02 07:03:30 · answer #11 · answered by M1eWL 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋