How does 2 Peter 2:1 square with the "L" in T.U.L.I.P?

Question

I need a Calvinist to help me out here. I know what an Arminianist would say...

Answer 1

I'm a Calvinist. I don't quite understand your question.

There are "false" professions of Christ everywhere. Our Churches are filled with non christians.

The "L" in Tulip is Limited atonement. That means that When Christ died, his blood covered and saved His Sheep...not everyone.

John 10:26 (NKJV)
But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.


John 10:27 (NKJV)
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.


John 10:28 (NKJV)
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.


John 10:29 (NKJV)
My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.


John 10:15-16 (NKJV)
As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. [16] And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.


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Notice...Christ lays his life down for THE SHEEP...and they WILL his voice (The Gospel call)

Hope this helps. Below is a great link to study and compare both views.

Answer 2

I have to laugh. You know Mr. Calvin would roll over in his grave if he knew what fanatics have made of his teachings. Most of them are a a bunch of fanatics and it is a rare Calvinist who can reasonably argue. Limited atonement. Sigh. I make a cake and offer it to everyone in the room. Some people are on diets. Other people are health nuts and don't like the artificial ingredients. Other people are full and don't want cake. The point is that though the cake is offered to everyone in the room, only those who eat the cake can enjoy the cake. So Armenians argue that the cake was for everyone but only those who chose to eat cake benefited from the cake. Those who chose not to eat the cake did not benefit from the cake. Stuffy Calvinists argue that there is no such thing as free will. So if you don't want to go round and round on that topic, just tell those modern day Pharisees that we all have ability to choose, to make choices, and that we are responsible for those choices no matter how influenced we are by others. Anyway, back to the subject in hand. Calvinists will argue that the cake was only made for those who ate the cake. Limited cake. They will say that only the Elect eat the cake. The Elect are those who God chose from before the beginning of earth. 2 Peter 2:1 is easily explained by the Calvinists, but here is a verse they cannot answer -- actually two. The first sets up the stinker verse they cannot answer. I know. They are momentarily stunned and then recover and change the subject.
2 Pet. 3:9 -- God says He is not willing that any perish.
They'll dance around that a bit until you show them, 2 Tim 2:1-4.
Dance over. Truth is that Armenians and Calvinists are blind folded and feeling an elephant. One reports the trunk but the other reports the tail. Truth is that election and predestination is God's part; free will is ours. According to the Word, we have a choice here. We either choose to believe God or we choose to disbelieve God. Since God is just, and God doesn't want anyone to perish, and God wants everyone to be saved, then we can
trust that God's election and predestination are in agreement. We let God handle that department because there is not a man alive who can thoroughly explain election and predestination. So let's stick to our part and that is freedom to make a choice. I can have cake if I choose to have cake. It is freely offered. I the cook want everyone to eat the cake because it is the most delicious Italian Cream Cake ever made. I want everyone to enjoy this rare treat. Unfortunately you can count on some party poopers to refuse the cake. I, the cook, can't physically make them eat, if I respect their freedom to choose. OK, case closed.

P.S. Calvinists argue that there is no free will. Everything is predestined. OK, then how did the Devil sin? I have actually heard these stick in the mud TULIP Calvinists say, in order to stay consistent with their premise, that God caused the Devil to sin. Anyway Tulip Calvinists are an interesting bunch. However, saying that, I don't find many Armenians capable of debating them. They are a slippery lot and you must be very sharp to rip their answers. In the end I simply tired of their implacability. Oh they hate me, that is for sure. They were spitting mad. They looked like demons, they were so mad. Now I am older and simply don't have the desire to debate them over and over and over again. I don't care what they believe. Neither do I have the desire to prove them wrong anymore. You can only debate with an intellectually honest Calvinist or Armenian or Atheist or Muslim or whatever. Implacable mindsets are rigid and can't be penetrated no matter how sound your argument is. They'll hate you all the more simply because you have proved them wrong. Then they will keep on implacably in their mindset and belief system as if nothing has changed.

Answer 3

2 Peter 2:1 is not really related directly to the "L" in TULIP. I suppose you could see it as standing evidence of Limited Atonement, the idea that NOT everyone is gifted with faith, that some actually are made for the day of destruction, that Christ's sacrifice is for His elect and not everyone on earth, but only those He Himself has chosen from before time began.

Hope this helps!

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Answer 4

Forget religion.

Christ is the path of salvation.
Christ is the truth of God's Word.
Christ is the life eternal.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Christ is the tree of life.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Answer 5

Peter aint square hes a hepcat daddyo.

tu lips is code for what peter wraps his tongue around when his wife gets home..

Answer 6

Try asking God what He says, use knee-mail.