if the bible has been proven scientifically outdated why is it still preached and have the facts been changed?

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first off, if you want a reply or further conversation on the subject email me at [e-mail]
now, don't preach here i want serious opinion and whatnot
I am an atheist and am not condoning christians or anyone elses ideals, i'm just trying to get them to take another look.
some religious IDEALS are a great thing to live by.
I would like to say that sooo many things in the bible have been proven wrong since the age of questioning, when people started counting the petals on a flower instead of reading plato.
i don't see how someone can believe in something like that when their "miracles" could be simple natural occurences, their stories could be written to change the way they behave and so on and so forth. The bible went through the hands of many leaders in ancient rome and other places so why would they not have changed it to their own benefit?

Answer 1

One word: Dogma.

Answer 2

There are many opinions on Religion and science. I do not wish to mislead anyone in their beliefs but here are some basic facts. Religion, no matter what flavor, was created by early man from fear of the unknown. This is not to say that worship is bad. I would like to state that too many religions have taken it upon themselves to decide where, when, and how the Creator accomplished this feat. I totally believe that the Creator does, always has, and always will exist! I do not however believe that there is one person on the face of the Earth who has the right to decide how the Creator performed this miracle! If the Creator chose to take billions of years then so be it! If evolution was part of his plan I can deal with it. This brings me to the second point, The Creator did not write the bibles, scrolls, or any other documentation we use in our religions. These items were written by many people and are simply visions of how they perceived the Creators message. I firmly believe that what we call evolution was Gods method of creation. Evolution is apparent everywhere you look. I also believe there is life elsewhere in the universe. Nowhere does it state that the Creator didnt create life elsewhere. This assumption was made by man. Humans are vain but feeble, delicate creatures who believe they are the superior life form. God instilled in us the first law which is the instinct for survival. Every living thing has this primordial instinct. It is up to us to decide which path we will take in order to survive. If we err, we will pay the price. I also believe the need for the exploration of space is a must! It is a well established fact that our planet will not live forever and if we want to survive we must leave this planet. As far as man being a destructive creature, man is a naturally occurring event on this planet. If man were never created I am sure some other life form here could destroy its own civilization. The lowly cockroach alone could destroy the very ecosystem that keeps it alive in time. A majority of people dont have a clue on how large the universe is. Most people cant tell the difference between a solar system, a galaxy, and a universe! This annoys me and I only wish that they new. God has given us a most valuable tool and that is the power to think. Religion now needs to come up from the stoneage beliefs and help rather than hinder our quest for survival.

Answer 3

The facts haven't been changed. The earilest manuscripts for the gospels of the New Testament go back to 80 A.D., which is within one generation of the events of the Gospels. BY 150 AD, all 27 books of the New Testament had been mentioned by external works. The New Testament was an established set of books before Constintine was even born. And we all know that Constintine was the one that made Christianity a legal religion.

The oldest known Old Testament manuscripts go back even further to several hundred years before Christ's birth. Included in those manuscripts are the laws that govern the copying of said documents. 3 total mistakes on a Torah scroll means that the scroll is trashed and one must start the prossess over.

As far as things being proven as "scientifically outdated," I'd like to know what things those are. I haven't encountered any statements that couldn't be supported by science except for the miracles. And the nature of miracles requires faith for them to happen.

EDIT: About creation - This is where everyone get hung up. The problem is that there is a rich oral history that goes with the Old Testament. Most of us don't know about the oral history because it's too controversial. In the 1500s a Jewish Rabbi concluded that the universe was over 15 billion years old. The Rabbi even had an exact number down to the year. Even though that's too hard to take, it can be even harder. The Bible only says that the world was created in 6 "days." We don't know the length of the "days" of that time. And were they God days or human days? In the Psalms it says that one day to God is like 1000 years to us. So if God created the universe in 6 god-days, that meant it took 6000 years in our frame of reference. That also means that God spent the first 1000 years creating light & separating it from dark, The second 1000 Years God spent separating the Universe from Heaven, The third 1000 days was spent separating the Universe into solid bodies and liquid-like ones. It just keeps going from there. Part of the problem is that we can't travel back in time to see how the Universe was created with any certainty. Everything we suspect about the begining of the Universe is just theory (the big bang THEORY, the THEORY of Evolution, The THEORY of Creation). And, for those who remember the scientific prossess, a theory is just a best guess based on the evidence at hand. A theory can always be disproven until it is tested and and is found to be true in all circumstances.

Until the day I die, I will always beleve that the universe was created. Just not in 6 calendar days 6000 years ago.

Answer 4

Surpriseingly the bible hasn't been changed a whole lot . Yes some not a lot.

The changes that have occured though are what pats are preached and what are not. Taken from begining to end it is a hatemongering book filled with xenophobia contridictions and fear.

Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live .The bible is in full support of slavery and killing those with a familiar spirit. There are passages that command the death sentence for homosexuals. The bible is highly racist. It is not a book of love at all and has very little to do with anything other than an ancient form of government.

Jesus said Know ye not I have come only for the lost sheep of Israel? He later changes his mind about that but it's an important look into his psche.Judges is so bloody and preverse at times it would never be allowed to be printed on this forum. Isaih apprently didn't like women all that much - etc etc etc.

So why do we cling to a book we don't read that has us beleive Jonah was swallowed by a whale? We want there to be a god we insist on it and in a real gods absence we have made one in our own image. We did it badly thats all and we are not alone C hristian , M uslim J-ewish whatever - same attempt - we aren't alone and god thinks we are right about the important things.

Religion and philosohy attempt to answer the same three questions . Who am I ? Where did I come from? Where am I going? The rest is fluff -if only we'd see that maybe we wouldn't be killing on an industrial scale.

The bible is just one of many attempts to sort this out. Problem being that the problems of 1,0000 yrs ago are universally inderstood enough to make it interesting an seeminly relavant but we still fall into the same pit falls of 10000 yrs ago to. Primitive man still walks the earth but now he wears a nice suit. I hope that helps

Answer 5

if you get a version of the bible you are somewhat right but if you take a translation it will be extremly close to the orignal writtings. the bible was scienticficcaly ahead of its time.
The 7 days of creation was not litteral 24hour days but 7 time periods of thousands of years each.

the origanal writting was on papyrus (an egyptian plant). there was a actual job of copy the scriptures ( they not only counted the words but the letters.) they did this to cross check the accuracy. There is evidence consiting of estimated 6,000 hebrew and some 5,000 christian . In 1947 the oldest available complete manuscript dated from the10th century CE they then found one dated 2nd century BCE more than a thousand years earlier. In one study they compared the 53rd chapter of Isaih of the two. The book A GENERAL INTRODUCTION OF THE BIBLE explain the results. Of the 166 words there are only 17 letters in ? ten of those letters are simply a matter of spelling Four more letters are minor stylistic changes such as conjuctions. the other 3 did not change the meaning greatly.

If you have 20 pages that all had the same sentences on them written by 20 different people . Not everyone would make the same mistakes and by compareing them you could fix them with ease.

6th Century BCE Pythagoras thoerized the earth was a sphere.
Isaiah stated in the bible There is one who is dwelling above the circle of trhe earth. the hebrew word CHUGH translated here as circle could be translated also to sphere.
aristole thought the earth was round but it couldnt possible stay in mid air it must rest on something. Sir Isaiic newton figured out the planets held up by gravity. nearly 3,500 years ago the bible staed the earth is hanging upon nothing. I could go on.it is practicle and scientificly acurate

Answer 6

Quite true.....and to answer dimond doll. Bible infact has been changed. And by the old rulers. And to point out mistakes, here is one of them. Its in the first few veses in the book of genesis. Example, The order of the creation universe in the book of genesis is as follows.

1) In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2)Darkness was everywhere
3) God said let there be light
4) Some where is verse eleven, God created seeds, fruits trees vegetation.

Well, it is said that God created earth in 7 days. If thats the case then what about science which says the universe was created over billions of years. Then Bible says that earth was from before light was formed. Meaning Earth was formed before the Sun. Quite opposite is what science tells us that earth and all planets were formed from fragments of the sun in the early solor system. Or that planets are formed from thier parent star.

These are only some of the errors which you find right when you open the bbile, the fist few verses in the book of genesis. There are many more later.

If a book is really divine, it must not contain any scientific errors. I do belive that bible was a divine book, but it is no longer in its orignal form. The only book that is there in its true form in the Holy Quran. And I invite everyone to just read it once and you will find that how amazing is its confomity with modern science. No one has ever been able to find a single scientific error in it. It also explains that jesus was only a messanger of God and not god.

Hope this will brige some gaps between people of christianity and islam by reasoning and logic rather then useless fighting and terrorism. God Bless.

Answer 7

There's no evidence disproving anything that is in the bible. Various "scholars" have chimed in on the subject, but many of them have their own agendas, and some are just plain ignorant. I've studied the bible in all the original forms and languages, read al the best stuff that was written about it over the last 2000 years, and I've personally documented all of the predictions that were made regarding the savior or Messiah in the old testament, and corelated them precisely with the miracles and events in the life of Christ. I also found documentation and good support for many biblical claims in the works of secular historians, who actually lived during the time of Christ. They saw what Jesus did and they wrote about it, confirming what the bible says, and what the early church men actually knew. I don't know where you got your facts, but they certainly don't match up with mine! Regarding your theory or assumption about biblical changes creeping in over time ... every time we discover old manuscripts like the Dead Sea Scrolls and others, we compare them to the best modern remnants that we have available. You have to realize that the ancient people who dedicated their lives to copying scripture did not take their mission lightly. If an error was found, or something was torn or worn out, the item was usually destroyed or buried, and a new, completely accurate copy was made. Almost no errors (and no significant or serious errors) have ever been found in the various generations of authentic scriptural documents. You need to do some serious research! For prompt, complete, accurate and free answers to your questions about God via email, go to www.AskMeAboutGod.Org

Answer 8

I hope your not implying king James changed anything. The bible is the WORD OF GOD and unchanged since it was written ;) (sarcasm) Anyway of course the bible has been proven to be full of errors, contradictions and well absurdities. It's not hard to find dozens of examples of this, talking snakes and donkeys, a flood covering the earth which there isn't enough water on the earth in the icebergs and in the aer to be enough to do that. Lets see the arc holding all the animals, simply wouldn't of been big enough by the cubits said in the bible. Anyway people don't believe in the bible because it's full of facts, it's all about 'faith'. Humans in general are very emotional, illogical and irrational beings that believe all sorts of things on faith and use anything they can to support what they WANT to believe not on what evidence is present and reliable. That's why I prefer Vulcans... But in all the time I've spent in rel 2 I'll give you some advice it's pointless to argue with fundies that base their beliefs on faith. No matter how much evidence and logic you have they are very unlikely to change their opinions. You might plant a little doubt in some that do have some reasoning abilities, but usually your wasting your time.

Answer 9

Its been proven scientificaly outdated? Really?

Look, the reason the Bible is followed, is because the people who follow it have Faith in God, and faith that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. Believing those things, and the fact the Bible says it will last until the end of time (forgot the verse), than it is largley accepted by followers to be true and accurate, as a matter of faith. Faith is relative, and can not be disproven to any one group or another.

I would like to know what has been proven wrong in the Bible, and what miracles could have been natural. Did lepers heal themselves, the blind could see, the dead rose from the grave? If it was natural then, why doesnt it happen now?

Answer 10

It has not been proven "scientifically" wrong. Scientist can be biased and dumb like anyone else. There is an "establishment" in this world which is atheist.
There are many ins and outs to discussing irregularities in the Bible. The Jews were given the authority to preserve the original Old Testament, the Greek church to preserve the New Testament texts. There are other texts around which are not authorized authentic.
Scientists can SAY something is not so, but don't be foolish and assume THEY are God.

Answer 11

The Bible has never been scientifically proven to be false-instead, science has consistently backed up its claims. It is the unalterable, eternal Word of God.