Are you happy that Israel is tearing up the Gaza Strip to weed out radical Muslims?

Question

Israel is ticked off over the ambush of Israeli soldiers last week that resulted in the capture of 1 Israeli by radical Muslim Palestinians. If American presidents had shown the same resolve when the USS Cole was bombed or when the WTC was bombed the first time (back in the 90s), might 9/11 have been avoided? Are you ticked off that the Bush administration and other nations are denouncing Israel's actions?

Yes I know these are loaded questions, but feel free to disagree. 10 pts. goes to the best explanations for your beliefs.

jtucker.. When the USS Liberty was attacked Israel was in the middle of a war against many Muslim nations (the 6-days War). It was an OBVIOUS case of mis-identification. Do you HONESTLY believe Israel wanted the US to join forces with the provocative Muslim nations in that conflict? Uh... no. I will say, though, that the way the US government handled the aftermath of that event with secrecy was shameful. Also, it's worth pointing out that the attackers of the USS Liberty were Israeli military and well-marked, unlike the radical terrorist that attacked the Cole or others.

As for the Lavon Affair.. no one was even injured in those attacks, and those responsible were arrested, tortured, executed, or imprisoned for years (except Elad, the one person known to have escaped).

Neither of these in any way compare to the thousands (that's right, THOUSANDS) of terrorist attacks that have been carried out in Israel, the UK, the US, and other nations throughout the world by radical Muslims.

Even before the attacks of the 1990s on the US by radical Muslims, I wonder if 9/11 could have been avoided had American presidents reacted more firmly to plane bombings, the barracks bombings in Beruit, and the Kenyan embassy bombings, all of which killed and injured hundreds of innocent people including numerous American citizens.

JT… I appreciate your passionate response, but I can’t give you the points because of all the Zionist conspiracy theorist mumbo-jumbo. You are obviously not a big fan of Israel. That’s not why you don’t get the points. It’s because you are obviously not a big fan of honest history, either. Please educate yourself using scholarly works, not propagandists’ pamphlets.

neveroutnumbered… I am glad you admit that you are a pacifist. However your dogma is flawed. You should be thanking your lucky stars that those in society around you don’t share your sentiment. If the free world were all pacifists; there’d be no free world.

Mehmood… Horrific acts of Christians and Muslims in the Middle Ages and earlier do NOT excuse the actions of RADICAL Islam in the 21st century. I am grateful that Christians and Jews have evolved and advance their societies beyond the 1500s. Why can’t Muslim nations do the same (a few have done this, but not all; particularly Arabs and Persians)?

khan.. you are living in a dream land inside your head. You equate enlightenment with ignorance. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. (James Madison).

Pablo… Wisdom exudes from your answer here. I completely share your sentiment; and I am often amazed that people are unable to comprehend what is really going on in the world around them. For example, look at the answers given by JT and Abdulhaq; These gentlemen are to be commended for their honesty; since they actually admit what we all know: that radical Islam and their sympathizers truly desire complete destruction of the Jewish people (and their religion).

Ithinkiknow… Your analogy is perfect. I wish YOU were the President’s spokesperson.

To all others on here… thanks for the answers.

For "Christian" responses on here; I appreciate the Christian argument here, but citing religion only enhances the rage and hatred towards the West. Believe me, there is plenty of evidence to advance the cause of freedom and condemn terrorists without citing religious beliefs or dogma.

I especially appreciate the participation of Muslims on here. None of you deserved the points though, because none of you even attempted to make a non-religious or otherwise coherent logical argument to answer my specific questions. A question for you: Why is it that men like JT and Abdulhaq most ardently argue the Palestinian/Islamic point of view? Do you honestly think that the free world will ever take Palestine and the radical Islamic cause seriously while decent, educated, and civilized Muslims everywhere stand by and let people like this represent the Islamic point of view?

D382… Congrats. The points are yours. I chose your answer because you most completely answered the different aspects I brought up in my question; those concerning US response to terrorism compared with the current Israeli response. You seem to have a very clear grasp on the whole situation; both historically and politically. I appreciate the vivid imagery with which you compared Western society to Radical Islamic society; and the fact that you are talented enough to do so without citing any religious or spiritual dogma.

Answer 1

I am not happy that Israel has to invade the Gaza strip because the Palestinian Authority is incapable or unwilling to stop the attacks on Israel.

It always disappoints me when humans, like the Palestinians, want to commit mass suicide. The Jonestown suicide aroused the same feelings of "what a waste!" What sick culture has been deliberately created to destroy everything rather than create? Co-operation between a culture that wants it's children to grow up and be doctors, scientists and engineers, and a culture that wants it's children to be human mince shrapnel, is always going to be a little fraught.

The Middle East peace process was on track before Yasar Arafat launched the infatadah. This is the 21st Century - and one would expect growth and building not an insane drive to destroy.

With an internal civil war threatening in Palestine the militants who launched the attack must be thrilled, at the response that further destabilises the country. The Palestinians are like a sinking ship firing on any rescue craft. I would bet that any land left outside Israel is going to be absorbed into Syria.

The Israelis have always shown that they will make huge efforts to get prisoners back from anyone. The attack on Entebbe was a case in point. The return of the Sinai Peninsula was another.

Diplomatic and civil efforts followed the WTC and the USS Cole. The responses have got more extreme as terrorism has worsened. 9/11 may have been avoided if the governments of the time had shown more resolve. However until most citizens felt under threat no democratic government could have shown the necesary resolve without being voted out of office.

Now that the war on terror is being waged, the videos of captured aid workers being decapitated, show that the Israeli response is the only one that works.

The other nations that are denouncing Israel’s actions are doing so very mutedly. The worst that I have seen is "give diplomatic efforts a chance."

Answer 2

Very happy. It looks like they did the right thing to pull out of those occupied territories just to prove that the palestinians are not going to stop harrasing them.
What if someone told you that you don't have the right to exist, and if they had a chance they'd wipe you out?
That's exactly what the Palis have said over and over about Israel. The fact is that they don't just want a little more land, they want it all and they want all the Jews dead. Let's see, jews they have one tiny little country where actually they have been for thousands of years (yes they've been kicked out, but they came back). Arabs (which is what palestinians are) they have 22 countries and their territory is many times larger than Israel. But they just can't sit tight, they have to have that one little piece of land too.
This is really a never ending war, and as long as there is a country of Israel, Arabs, Nazis and other anti Semites will always try to wipe it off the face of the earth. So what are the Jews to do? Be sitting ducks and just try to make friends with a starving crocodile?
I cannot believe how dense people are when they can't see the aggression of all these arab countries, but they get upset about Israel defending itself.

Answer 3

Israel's overreactions are crimes.

Israel brings on her own self-destruction by her actions.

Attempting to establish a "state" inhabited and controlled by an imported, minority population was a stupid idea in 1947 and is a stupid idea today.

100 years from now, Israel will not exist as a "Jewish state," and all these lives on all sides will have been totally wasted.


You failed to mention the USS Liberty and the Lavon Affair in your list of crimes committed against the US for which there was no adequate response.

Whatever you say.

Israel was founded by terrorists and is controlled by terrorists to this day.

From my viewpoint, it is just as likely Israel is as responsible for the events of 9/11/01 as anyone else (see Lavon affair). And, it is just as likely that Israelis are behind many of the "terrorist" attacks so often attributed to Muslims.

Deception is Israel's primary talent.

BTW, it's quite obvious you excuse Israeli terrorism. Further demonstrating Israelis support terrorism.



The best way to reduce global terrorism would be to nuke Jerusalem and classify Zionism as a criminal and/or subversive organization.


Don't you think it was an odd coincidence that within months of demanding that the then secret nuclear reactor at Dimona was not to be used to produce nuclear weapons, JFK was assassinated?

And, no US president since JFK has made any similar demands (that we know of) on Israel?

Answer 4

The thought line of thinking that to wipe Israel off the map will solve all
problems is about as smart as trying to fly a lead balloon.There will
NEVER BE TRUE PEACE until Jesus Christ comes to rule and reign
in the millennium.
Israel started with a sovereign nation with all the land that God gave them
now they only have a land mass about as big as New Jersey.They have
given up 90 per cent and what has it got them?NOTHING NA DA! They
are already suffering from giving the Golan's Heights away.Freedom is
not free it cost a lot of blood and will continue to cost a lot of blood
until Jesus comes back.I just thank God we are still Israels Allies.
In Christ in Love,
TJ57

Answer 5

So the deaths of innocents is ok if your goal is reached? By that logic the terrorist actions should be find by you because they killed innocents to cause terror and succeeded. By you logic it is end that matter not the means to the end. And well in both case the ends and the means are the sames. The end is domination and the means is murder. Blowing people up with bombs no matter how they reach their target is wrong. Killing innocent no matter what you gain from it is wrong. You can not ask someone to respect the lives of the innocent people in your civilization if you do not do the same.

Answer 6

I was surpised that Israel has taken so long, Israel used to be quicker(out of necessity) to strike back. The more they give in the weaker they become. The Arabs are not getting kinder and gentler, so neither should the Jews. I don't think anyone, we Americans included, have the right to denounce anyone. At least Israel is trying to take care of business. You can't be diplomatic with terrorists. You need to take them out.

Answer 7

Either way, world peace will never happen unless the human race is perfectly kind and unselfish. Not gonna happen. Both religions demand that this is their land but with no common authority to ask, they're like two little boys fighting over a toy when sharing is simply out of the question.

Answer 8

I give Israel SO much credit for their patience.

If the scenario were that we had to deal with the same situation on our border, and there were suicide bombers killing busloads of Americans, launching rockets into our country, demanding we turn over New Mexico and as soon as we concede they launch more attacks, we would NOT have the same patience we urge Israel to have. We would destroy them without hesitation.

God Bless Israel and I hope they pull no punches with the terrorist state of Palestine.

Answer 9

That is a much better choice than Israel tearing up the Gaza strip to smoke out the Muslims with some radical weed.

Answer 10

This is only a battle, we know many of us will die as " Shaheed" in the course of bringing this so called Israel to the right track of humanity. The day is coming nearer and closer, on which we will liberate our country and place the Palestinian flag in Tel Aviv and all over our homeland Palestine. as part of the Arab nation and the Muslim nation.This will be in few years, but till that time, the fight for our land shall continue.

Our dead people will go to Heaven, their dead people shall go to Hell-fire and they know it.