Having a hard time understanding Christians.?

Question

One of the commandments states that God is a jealous God and there shall be no others above him. How can people put Christ above him, and offer everything to Jesus or pray to Mary.

Oh and how come no one ever prays to the holy spirit?

Man this is starting to sound like a family from the south...the Father is the son, the son is the father...lol Some great info coming in!!

Answer 1

You are making very good points there this is not Many presume that God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit form what is commonly known as the Trinity. This belief that there is one God who manifests Himself in three distinct but equal persons is widely accepted in the Christian world. But is that what the Bible teaches or is it a man-made attempt to explain God? You might be surprised what the Bible actually says!

The Bible does not teach the doctrine of the Trinity.
The term "trinity" is first used in a religious sense at the close of the 2nd century; it does not appear in New Testament manuscripts.
The doctrine of the Trinity is elaborate and contradictory, and denies one of the most important truths of the Bible.


God had challenged my belief on the Trinity many years ago, as I blindly believed and excepted this doctrine as a pillar of my faith and assumed that it was the foundation of Christianity. But like most Christians, I had never really check it out. I knew at the time that God wants us to know what we believe in and to test all things and also to watch our doctrine closely.
When I started to look into the Trinity doctrine I found many scriptures that really challenged my belief so I set out to understand the truth. When I brought the subject up with other Christians including many people who were older in the faith than myself, that there seemed to be this "do not question attitude" and in the end I decided rather than make waves, I would just leave it and except that the Trinity doctrine was correct even though I felt that I was being untrue to the conviction in my heart. My problem was the fear of man. Many years later God made me face my belief in the Trinity again and he kept putting certain scriptures in front of me. In the end I decided that I would not run away from this anymore and I did a full on study where God divinely lead me to a new scripture, about one each day and each scripture in succession built a picture that really helped me to understand what he was conveying to me. First of all I would like to say that I have a clear understanding of the Trinity doctrine and am very familiar with the scriptures that people use to support this doctrine.
Anyway what I discovered was quite interesting and I will condense what I have been shown below.
The Trinity doctrine is not taught anywhere in scripture, but trinities were common in Paganism and were prominent in Egypt and Babylon.
The beginnings of recognition of this doctrine started at the Council of Nicea approximately 325 AD. Hundreds of years after the last book in the Bible was written.
The Council of Nicea was organized by the Roman Emperor Constantine and he had the final say on matters that he had little understanding of.
Creed followed creed, and eventually idols were accepted as forms that we can worship God through, and Mary was exalted to be the Mother of God and worship of the saints was sanctioned.
The organized church was built on top of these creeds. The creeds were and are the foundation for many of today's churches/denominations. These denominations are different to the Body of Christ spoken of in the scriptures. This shows us that most denominations are still rooted in a creed and in particular the Trinity doctrine. Most denominations still have the Trinity doctrine as a foundation and this doctrine originally came from Babylon.
The mother of these denominations the Roman Catholic Church murdered approximately 50 million people, had armies and banned access to scripture to Christians. This time is known today as the Dark Ages.
Some relief came during the Reformation where the teachings and authority of the Catholic Church were challenged. The Reformation restored many truths back to the Body of Christ.
As a result many new denominations started up and unfortunately they held onto some of the creeds and in particular the Trinity doctrine.
From a historical point of view it seems strange to me that one of the pillars of Christianity didn't come into existence or wasn't recognized until 300 years after the death of Christ. On this point alone, I think its strange that we are encouraged not to question this doctrine and worse still, the the circumstances in which this doctrine came about should lead any clear thinking person to be at least suspicious.
I think the fruit of this doctrine is evident. If we exalt Jesus as God, then why not exalt Mary who after gave birth to Jesus. We can now see how Mary came to be called the Mother of God and how worship of the saints was sanctioned. So these creeds became the new foundation and on top of this foundation men built their churches/denominations.
In Revelation 17 we read about the Mother of Harlots or the Great Prostitute who sits on many waters. Many people have speculated on her identity. Some say it is New York or the USA, others say it is Rome. If you are not familiar with this section of scripture, then it would pay to read it now before reading on.
Lets imagine for a minute that it is Rome as Rome is known to this day as the city of 7 hills. Now Constantine the Roman Emperor who dictated to the church so called truth in some way is the original model of the person we call the Pope today, as the Pope sits on a throne with supreme authority to dictate so called truth to the Roman Catholic Church. The Roman Catholic Church admits by it's very name that it's roots are in Rome and many of the traditions come from Pagan traditions and festivals and were renamed as Christian back in the days of Constantine. Now in one sense we can see that creeds lead to the worship of idols and men and changed the truth of God for a lie. But to manage this foundation there needed to exist some kind of organization of men to manage the politics of enforcing such creeds. The organization are of course the organized churches of which the Catholic church is the mother. Perhaps the smaller denominations are the harlots. We also read that the kings of the earth have committed adultery with this woman. We all know that many leaders have befriended the organized church so they can leverage her influence for their own gain and vote. There will however come a time when God will call his children out of her.
Babel, Babylon, Egypt and Rome all have one thing in common. Their motives are to become great and make a name themselves. They also built structures as a way of showing their greatness. But the spirit of Babylon, Egypt or Rome will always enslave the Children of God and in many cases also kill them. In Rev 17 we read that the woman was drunk on the blood of the saints and is guilty of all the martyrs. Well history records the dreadful killings of Christians by Rome and the enslavement of Israel by Egypt, but how many people are aware that the Catholic Church is also responsible for burning to death millions of people of whom many were Christian They were labeled heretics for things like reading scripture, translating scripture or daring to obey the scriptures instead of their tradition. Many denominations today still operate under this spirit of control including the persecution of those who question doctrines like the Trinity. The curse of Babel is division, and this is what see when we look at the church today. Each Denomination has its own creed, its own leaders and own customs or tradition. Denominations are the Christian languages just as the natural languages are a result of Babel.
But true unity is something that God will bring about and something that he is already doing. This is not to say that all denominations are evil or a part of this system. Many are being used by God for his purposes. But in times of great
how things should be at all, because

Answer 2

Some good questions. First of all, praying to Mary is NOT Christian, but Catholic. This is certainly forbidden by the Bible.

Christians believe that God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all God, and are therefore all equal. Jesus is not above God the Father, but equal to. Jesus is the same God that wrote the Ten Commandments, as is the Holy Spirit.

As to why people don't pray to the Holy Spirit, many Christians do. The answer is simply we tend to understand the Father and Jesus more than the Holy Spirit. We don't read about the conversations men have had with the Holy Spirit, so it is harder to relate to Him. I believe my heart's desires and my emotions cry out to the Holy Spirit in prayer that has no words, which is based on a Bible verse, but is my own idea.

Answer 3

Good question there. First off to get the record straight, Jesus is God so there is no putting Christ above God. The godhead, the trinity, three in one. Also because it is accepted that since you have the blood of christ washed over you (assuming you have chosen christianity) then christ will relay you with God, there for seeming it would be easier to pray to Christ. The holy spirit resides in the believer, though some denomonations do pray to the Spirit. And parying to saints or to mary is just stupid, and you can't say all christians do it, honestly it is only catholics. The "Virgin" Mary is not someone who you should be praying to, see what Constintine the king. He tried to convert the Arabic people to christianity. And he did this by making it more like their faith, making sort of "idols" if you will, of people that did a great job in life. So thereby constintine made it more exceptable to the Arabic peoples.... I think I have answered all of the questions?

Answer 4

When I was Christian, I didn't pray to anyone but God the Father. Different denominations have different doctrines.

The idea is that Jesus is not above God, but is the same as God, just as the Holy Spirit is.

One good apologetic explanation I heard once was...

Consider a book. It has length from top to bottom, width from side to side, and height as well. Take any one of those three - length width or height - away, and you no longer have a book.

The trinity would be the same - all three are "dimensions" if you will, of God.

Answer 5

Christians DO pray to the holy spirit, it's called the trinity= Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, they r one in 3... does it make sense? God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit.
And about the whole Mary thing, if I'm not mistaken, only Catholics pray to Mary and the saints.

Answer 6

understand first god the father god the son(jesus) and god the holy ghost(spirit) is one and the same its called the trinity, so it makes no difference which one you pray to
second part of why pray to mary,we pray to her to intercede for us to god, in simple when a kids wants some thing usually he asks his mom to ask dad, so we pray through the mother to god

Answer 7

unfortunately these issues are still hotly contested even among Christians.

some denominations do ask & pray to holy spirit... e.g. guidance, strength.

the Holy Trinity is what you should be looking for to settle issues about God, Son (Jesus) and Holy Spirit

Answer 8

It is simple.
Yehoshuah (YHSVH) Hamesiach is Yahveh (YHVH) manifested in the flesh.
The Father is God.
The Son is God.
The Spirit is God.
The Father is in the Son.
The Son Is In the Father.
Yehoshuah Hamesiach commanded his followers to pray to the Father in the name Yehoshuah.

Answer 9

all three is called the Blessed Trinity, and how do U know who prays to Who ???

Answer 10

They are little children, so they cant understand deep philosophies dealing with mind, matter and universe.

Let them be happy with their faith... (although they are not letting others do it)

Answer 11

trinity stuff!
this link is very usefull.