Was it a typo? "Suffer the children TO come to me" Did he mean suffer children WHO come to me?

Question

Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.

Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.

2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong?

Answer 1

That's a good question !!

Answer 2

The context of your first verse: Numbers 31:16 Look, these women caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the LORD in the incident of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

In each of these passages, God is executing judgment on those who chose not to obey. He never gives people choice in this.

Answer 3

Suffer in the greek means: "to permit, allow, not to hinder, to give up a thing to a person" Hope this helps.

I honestly didn't read the rest of your post until now. I thought you truly wanted an answer. I would say that you need to read the bible before judging the bible, because everything you posted is out of context. If you'd like you can email me and we can go over the sciptures. Just be sure to post the sciputres with your email. God Bless!

Answer 4

i think whats happening is you are reading the passages word for word if you do not have Jesus in your heart you cannot fully understand what he is saying! why use the old testament to prove your point about God there is such a big diffrence between the old and the new. please try osmething else because its not working!

Answer 5

Good quote of the scripture dude.

Your a prat

Answer 6

Could it mean that we all suffer, in the inuit concept that this planet is hell

Answer 7

god is pro-life :P

Thou shall not kill

duh :P

Comprehend before you dog it :P
Please go embarse your self about the bible somewhere else.
If you want to make serious argument, You'd better know it inside and out first. them come complain about it please.

Answer 8

In Matthew 19:14 "Jesus said "Suffer little children, and forbid them not to come unto Me, for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven."

In Mark 10:14 "But when Jesus saw it, He was much displeased and said unto them, "Suffer the little children to come unto Me, and forbid them not, for of such is the Kingdom of God.

And in Luke 18:16 "But Jesus called them unto Him and said, "Suffer little children to come unto Me, and forbid them not, for of such is the Kingdom of God."

Let's look at Mark for a moment (After all, Mark is the oldest, most likely the first Gospel written in the New Testament)

"And they brought young children to Him, that He should touch them; and His disciples rebuked those who brought them. (The disciples didn't like it and wanted them to leave) But when Jesus saw it, He was much displeased and said unto them, "Suffer the little children to come unto Me (Here Jesus is asking a question) , and forbid them not (Now Jesus is making a statement), for of such is the Kingdom of God. Verily I say unto you, whosoever shall not receive the Kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein." And He took them up in His arms, put His hands upon them, and blessed them. - Mark 10:13-16

In Numbers, including 31:17 (You have to read the whole section and in its proper context in which it is used).

At this point the in Numbers (also verified in history), The Midianites people are slaughtering, murdering, raping, etc. the Israelite people. At this point God had enough of this evil doing. He commands Moses to do what is just. And God speaks to Moses and tells him to...."Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people." So Moses said to the people, "Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the LORD's vengeance on them. Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel." - Numbers 31:2-4

Then when we finally get to Numbers 31:17

" 13: Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them (The captives) outside the camp. 14: Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle. 15: "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16: "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. 17: Now kill all the young ones. And kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him, 18: but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. 19: "All of you who have killed anyone or touched anyone who was killed must stay outside the camp seven days. On the third and seventh days you must purify yourselves and your captives.

You say "In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus." The Text says nothing about that.

Look at it...17 Now kill all the young ones, (In the original Hebrew, which the Bible and Torah is written in, it translates to: Young boys, not fetuses) and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him (AKA translation from Hebrew: And kill every woman who has slept with a man) And it also states but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Meaning The girls who never slept with a man are to be spared). This portion of the text makes no mention of killing pregnant women. There is nothing there that ever states that. Moses didn't say to do it, Neither did God.

In Hosea (Including 13:16) God does not say this, but Hosea is the one to say... "their women with child shall be ripped up”. But again CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT.

Here is the complete section:

"The Lord 's Anger Against Israel:

When Ephraim spoke, men trembled; he was exalted in Israel. But he became guilty of Baal worship and died. Now they sin more and more; they make idols for themselves from their silver, cleverly fashioned images, all of them the work of craftsmen. It is said of these people, "They offer human sacrifice and kiss the calf-idols." Therefore they will be like the morning mist, like the early dew that disappears, like chaff swirling from a threshing floor, like smoke escaping through a window. "But I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Savior except me. I cared for you in the desert, in the land of burning heat. When I fed them, they were satisfied; when they were satisfied, they became proud; then they forgot me. So I will come upon them like a lion, like a leopard I will lurk by the path. Like a bear robbed of her cubs, I will attack them and rip them open. Like a lion I will devour them; a wild animal will tear them apart. "You are destroyed, O Israel, because you are against me, against your helper. Where is your king, that he may save you? Where are your rulers in all your towns, of whom you said, 'Give me a king and princes'? So in my anger I gave you a king, and in my wrath I took him away. The guilt of Ephraim is stored up, his sins are kept on record. Pains as of a woman in childbirth come to him, but he is a child without wisdom; when the time arrives, he does not come to the opening of the womb. "I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death. Where, O death, are your plagues? Where, O grave, is your destruction? "I will have no compassion, even though he thrives among his brothers. An east wind from the LORD will come, blowing in from the desert; his spring will fail and his well dry up. His storehouse will be plundered of all its treasures.

16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women ripped open."

Now, this is Hosea speaking. Hosea was a prophet. One of the things that some prophets do is to create shock and awe in their words. To lure people to come to God. Kind of like evangelism today. To shock people into getting right with God. Did these such things happen as predicted??? History is murky on this subject. If they did by whom??? Hosea does not mention a name of a king or any kings. Hosea does not mention an army. Just that judgement will befall upon the evildoers. When is this going to happen??? Hosea does not give a date. He could be talking many years from that time. He even could have been talking about today. That is highly doubtful, but you never know! It sounds like Hosea was make a vague generalization of what might happen because God is not happy with people's wickedness.

In 2 Kings, AGAIN CONTEXT.....

Shallum King of Israel

Shallum son of Jabesh became king in the thirty-ninth year of Uzziah king of Judah, and he reigned in Samaria one month. Then Menahem son of Gadi went from Tirzah up to Samaria. He attacked Shallum son of Jabesh in Samaria, assassinated him and succeeded him as king. The other events of Shallum's reign, and the conspiracy he led, are written in the book of the annals of the kings of Israel.

16 At that time Menahem, starting out from Tirzah, attacked Tiphsah and everyone in the city and its vicinity, because they refused to open their gates. He sacked Tiphsah and ripped open all the pregnant women.

Gee, it sounds like Menahem is a evil guy. This portion of text doesn't even mention God. But then again, In the book of Esther God is not mentioned in there either.

You say "Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life." Well, God is pro-life. Jesus resurrection on the cross proves it. Christ rose from the dead. If God did not want it, it would not be so.

This passage 2 Kings 15:16, has nothing to do with God. This is Menahem evil doings at this point. This portion of the text is to present a historical account of what is going on in the Holy Land at this point in time that it was written. Menahem is not the only people in the Bible/Torah to do evil. There are many others, some are even worse. Why does God allow these evil things??? These evil things are not God's doing, but man's inhumanity to man. God weeps when people do such evil. God wants people to do good.

God even told this to Cain, Able's brother in Genesis 4:5-7

"Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it."

To help you out a bit you should have used, The book of JOB, Noah & The Great Flood, & the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, but then again you have to read the CONTEXT of these events.

It's funny, that you only used Old Testament passages but make little use of the New Testament. Why is that??? Here, I'll use another one....

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God." - John 3:16-21