From Galileo to Darwin?

Question

The church has been wrong before, Galileo and Copernicus denied the churches common belief of the stellar map. Then the church admitted they were wrong. Darwin's belief of evolution is exactly the same. Evolution is a theory, and that's a lot more than anyone is willing to admit, although it is yet to be entirely complete, filling in the holes does not mean turning to a deity.

Like most of my "questions" this isn't a question, I would like to discuss this and see your opinions. However, I find statements a lot better than a sarcastic rhetorical question, so here we go.

Answer 1

sure, it's a theory....with a lot more evidence to back it up than "creative design"

Answer 2

I must say that I don't understand you... However, I need to point out to you that church may have different meanings. I hope when you're talking about Catholic Church you don't mean the Church of Christ, which I and others consider different.

In the book of Job, there is a similar conclusion, based on the fact that the earth is spherical, like the one brought about by Galileo. Then, if there is any confusion, it would not be on the part of the Bible but rather a group, namely the Catholic Church.

When you say that evolution is a theory, Darwin proved that finches had a variety of elements that enabled them to better adapt. Christians agree with you if evolution means that sometimes a specific species modifies for better environmental adaptation. In addition, we have other examples to corroborate what Darwin said. Actually, if we look at the basketball players on the NBA, they're usually taller than everyone else in their families. That does not prove they have evolved, or they belong to different species.

If by the theory of evolution you mean that man is from ape, like I so often heard, I must say that you are gravely mistaken. As far as I know, science cannot contradict science; otherwise, the whole structure would break down. Indeed, there is a law of physics that goes against the saying or theory, whatever you want to call, that propounds man comes from ape.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics, entropy, states that in 'nature things go from a more concentrated state to a less concentrated state, not the other way around.' That further means if you build a house, the house will not grow newer but older. Man, being the more concentrated state, could become ape, not the other way around.

God or the truth in the Bible is about faith, but living faith, for if you try that faith, you may have eternal life. Science is mostly about faith, but sometimes absurd faith, and it may take you straight to eternal death.
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Answer 3

The Catholic church was wrong because they held to an unbiblical view of the cosmos. God NEVER said in His Word that the solar system was earth-centric. At the same time, the ignorant clergy believed the earth was flat, despite what the Bible said about the earth being a sphere and hanging in empty space upon NOTHING. This was stated in both Isaiah and Job more than 2800 years ago. If the Catholic church spent more time studying the Bible and less time listening to the Pope, maybe Galileo would have had an easier time of it. As for Darwin, math is disproving evolution. I will leave it at that.

Isaiah 40:22
It is [God] who sits* above the sphere** of the earth

Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
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*Hebrew "yashab" - meaning dwells or inhabits. dwells above the circle of the earth - ie inhabits the heavens.

**Hebrew "khoog" - meaning circle in 2 dimensions and sphere in 3 dimensions. Note: a flat disk wheel (owphan) or circle (cabiyb) are used elsewhere in scripture, but are not sphere (khoog).

Answer 4

What do you mean by "Church"? If you are talking about any one of the denominations today than you are talking about a man made religion. Man is wrong a lot. But if you are talking about what the Word of God calls the Church, well wait a minute, if you knew that then you wouldn't be asking such a question. You also don't know much about evolution and creation. I suspect you only know what people have told you. That's to bad, because God has made it quite evident that He has created all.

Answer 5

I believe in the theory of evolution even though it has not been proven it has more evidence than the beliefs of the church. Plus you can still believe in the theory of evolution and be christian. Simple, you can believe that "god" created the Human race in a more beautiful way instead of going " POOF" were here. That is all i have to say.

Answer 6

Actually I don't believe the church said they were wrong when they denied Charles Darwin's theory of evolution, there are still many people fighting it today, including me. I believe Galileo actually believed in God, Did you know that some of the greatest thinkers in the world at least believed in God. I do not count Charles Darwin as a great thinker, because he was about as smart as a kid in high school, and about as spoiled too.

Answer 7

Oh yes, the christian cult has been so very wrong about so much in the scientific world that we who actually work in the scientific field get suspicious whenever a church or religious leader stands on our side.
Evolution is a Fact and a Theory. Just like; Gravity, Thermodynamics, Atomic Fission ect...

Answer 8

The Church, and by that you are technically referring to the Catholic Church, is actually at a point right now where it appeases both sides of the matter. As long as you accept that God started the world and created everything, you're good. Creationism or theory of evolution? Your choice. I picked the theory of evolution.

Answer 9

I think at this point you can not even classify it as a theory. Biologist use it every day, and the amount of evidence that supports it is undeniable.

Recently there has been a remarkable change in the Christian community: Many members of the Christian faith are embracing evolution. For example, there is this article:

At Churches Nationwide, Good Words for Evolution: "On the 197th birthday of Charles Darwin, ministers at several hundred churches around the country preached yesterday against recent efforts to undermine the theory of evolution, asserting that the opposition many Christians say exists between science and faith is false. At St. Dunstan's Episcopal Church, a small contemporary structure among the pricey homes of north Atlanta, the Rev. Patricia Templeton told the 85 worshipers gathered yesterday, 'A faith that requires you to close your mind in order to believe is not much of a faith at all....' At the Evanston Mennonite Church, Susan Fisher Miller, 48, an editor and English professor, said, 'I completely accept and affirm the view of God as creator, but I accommodate evolution within that.'"
And this letter, signed by more than 10,000 clergy members:
An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science: "...We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children..."

The interesting thing to understand is that when you accept evolution, what you are automatically doing is rejecting the concept of a soul. Here is why: As soon as you accept that evolution is true, you also accept that the creation story in the Bible is false. It is pure mythology. The concept of the "soul", which comes from the same book, is exactly the same sort of mythology.

Simply think through the logic. What the theory of evolution says is that every living thing on this planet has evolved through a completely natural process. Every species that we see today is derived from simple, single-cell organisms over the course of hundreds of millions of years. In other words, there was no supernatural creation process for humans as described in the Bible's book of Genesis.

As you think about this, what you will realize is that evolved beings have no souls. Human beings are no different from any other animal, insect, plant or bacteria in the way that we have evolved. In the same way that every other living thing on planet Earth is soul-less, humans are soul-less. The whole notion of a soul is a figment of human imagination.

This makes complete sense. The biochemistry of life powers evolution. That biochemistry is amazing and complex, but it is nothing more than a set of soul-less chemical reactions. When the chemical reactions cease, you die. There is no "soul" mixed in with the chemicals.

Where did the first cell come from? Many believers will argue that God magically created the first living cell. This, of course, is silly. The scientific principle that describes the origin of life is called abiogenesis. In the same way that there is no supernatural being involved in evolution, there is no supernatural being involved in abiogenesis. Both the creation of life and the evolution of species are completely natural processes.

There is no "supreme being" in heaven who reached down to create life on Earth or human beings. Nor is that being answering prayers. There is no soul. There is no everlasting life. Science tells us all of these things with complete clarity. God is imaginary.

Answer 10

It seems to me that belief in macro evolution is a type of faith system in itself. It takes a lot to believe that such complexity came undirected out of chaos.

We don't turn to God because evolution theory is incomplete. Most people turn to God because of something empirical evidence cannot understand. It is an inner voice of belief which does not need or call for empirical evidence. Evolution is just another option, that many people don't put stock in.

i personally believe in micro-evolution, and this is very much in line with my belief in a Creator. He created us to adapt to a changing world. A wise creator would do this.

Answer 11

Why does everyone forget that Galileo was hated by the scientific community and the pope was the only person protecting him? And then when the pope suggested moderation, Galileo called him a simpleton?

Galileo's arrest had nothing to do with his theories and everything to do with politics.