Are you saved?

Question

Have you let Darwin into your life? Has he freed you from a life of ignorance and superstition? Embrace him and you will find peace. True, you will have to start accepting responsibility for your own life and destiny, and will have to be strong enough to be a good person without the promise of heaven or fear of hell, but it is worth it. True, it takes more than simple bovine faith, it takes rigorous logic and deep introspection, but it is worth it. And if you absolutely must, you can still celebrate Christmas.

Darwin saves.

Hey Mama Pastafarian:

Don't worry, the great Darwin accepts and honors the teaching of the FSM.

Answer 1

Christianity makes a mockery of God. At the same time that Christians claim to worship God as an omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent being, they make him out to be incompetent bumbler. Or worse. Simple forgiveness is beyond his capacities. God must "sacrifice himself to himself to change a rule he made himself!"

This is not only an absurdity, it is an essential absurdity. It is present in almost almost all forms of Christianity, and one can scarcely remove it and remain a Christian in anything but name. By definition, all Christians worship Christ - in some form - and most worship him as a saviour.

But what, exactly, is he saving us from? Though it varies from church to church, no matter what they call it, it's God himself. A hell created by God, a world fallen as a result of God's negligence, a separation from God imposed... by God.

"It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being."
- Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith Christianity certainly isn't the first religion to promote appeasement of its gods, and if it were merely another supernatural protection racket, it would be bad enough. Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Christians elevate appeasement to the realm of "personal relationship", transforming their religion into a true monstrosity.

This is the type of "relationship" that abused wives have with their husbands, that brainwashed hostages have with their captors. It is known in clinical circles as Stockholm Syndrome. Should it come as any surprise that the cries of the church, "The Bride of Christ" sound much like the cries of an abused wife attempting to protect her husband?

"He must beat me."
"I deserve it."
"He has no choice."
"It's for my own good."

These excuses don't work for human abusers, and they work even less well for God. For if God is omnipotent, he must have a choice. And if we are flawed, we are only flawed because that is the way he made us. (No excuses that we ruined his perfect creation. A truly perfect creation does not self-destruct.)

If the Christian God does exist - and I see no reason to believe that he does - he's not worthy of the name.

And that is the ultimate absurdity of Christianity.

Answer 2

I have actually read "the origin of species," quite a masterpiece of science and writing. But Darwin wasn't writing spiritual tomes. He was writing science. Darwin was able to induce and deduce natural selection and the origins of species, but Darwin said nothing about God. Darwin used lateral and descendent arguments-- inductive and deductive reasoning to arrive at a very reasonable conclusion. If Darwin wished to analyze God, and dispence with god, then he would have had to use the fine art of gnosis, that long gone practice, which is ascendent -- guessing at the premises, because they are hidden from the average mortal -- they cannot be induced or deduced.

So? Why are you comparing Darwin's science to Christ's gnosticism or christian faith? They are two different processes. I have a fairly good relationship with "god" and science, and I am more struck by the ignorance, indoctrination and limitted spirituality of our science brothers, as their "freedom" as you call it, has robbed the deep thinking logician of her scope. A scientist cannot explore beyond what descends from his indoctrination -- scientific premises.

I don't think that the scientist is any freer than the devout, ha! the scientist may well be less free, as scientific indoctrination gives the scientist a limitted life scope reduced to induction and deduction -- the scientist cannot understand, think of, or speculate on the gnostic, or ascendent. There were some gnostic scientists: Semelwiess, Tesla, Farnsworth, Mileva Maric, (maybe einstein), Boltzmann, Planck, Bohr.... But they are only a few in tens of thousands, and most, do not provide the details of the creative process as giving what is illogical is now tabboo.


A person should be able to do both.

StewE

Answer 3

Sorry, bub. Yours truly accepts evolution as a part of God's ultimate design for creation. I kinda like the thought of the Holy Trinity sitting around in the eternal NOW, swapping war stories, telling old jokes and popping over to the edge of the universe now and again to bring something into being that never was before and then letting it go do its own thing and evolve into something else altogether. Sort of nice, huh?

As for being saved. Yep. It's a fait accompli. Been done; 'bout 2,000 years or so ago. And because the Doer is eternal (ie, all past, present and future being in the NOW), everything He does is eternal, therefore all are saved, from whoever was the first true human to the last person who'll ever live. All you gotta do is say, "Yes, I'll take that. Thanks!"

Or, alternatively, "Hell no. I won't go!" Then, of course, you won't. He will not abrogate your free will even to lift you from Hell if that is your choice.

Answer 4

Actually, Darwin renounced evolution and was a Christian.

Besides, God is the GREATEST scientist.

Grace to you and God Bless!

P.S. This quote from above: "It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being."

1 Cor. 13:4 Love is patient and kind; love is not jealous or boastful; 5 it is not arrogant or rude. Love does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 8 Love never ends; as for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For our knowledge is imperfect and our prophecy is imperfect; 10 but when the perfect comes, the imperfect will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall understand fully, even as I have been fully understood. 13 So faith, hope, love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

Answer 5

Wow! I didn't know Darwin was a god.
I think I'll just stay with the original true God. Seeing as how I have that bovine nature and faith. I kinda like believing in heaven.

Answer 6

Oh I fell the secular blessings washing over me!

Answer 7

AMEN SISTER!

Actually, I'm a pastafarian. It makes more sense than christianity.

Answer 8

First your Avatar doesn't say it all.
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Second I don't want to be saved by a dead guy.
All hail Connan!

Answer 9

Saved by Darwin? Thats a new one to me.

And no, I wouldnt want to be, but thanks for the offer.

Answer 10

no thank you! I am saved by the Lord Jesus Christ, who chose to die in my place for my sins.
look into it, there is still time for you.