On a recent question I made the comment that to say "there is no God" is stating a negative in the absolute. (like saying "there is no gold in China)--saying that you would have to have "infinate knowledge to say there is no gold.... or there is no God, that by definition that would make you God. One athesist made an intresting point..saying to say "there is a God" is a positive(correct) and that I have to also have infinate knowledge to say there is a God. My question is "Does saying "there is a God" assume infinate knowledge??" How does acknowledging a statement differ from rejecting a statement? Hope this makes sense...
2006-06-28 01:55:21 · 10 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
First of all, we all recognize that all of our knowlege is just probability. Any claim we make has the possibility of being wrong due to the fact we are mistake prone illogical humans. In normal conversation it would be rather time consuming to say "I could be wrong but I believe that" every time we say something.
That said, the claim there is no god, is of a different character than the claim there is no gold in China. If we use the usual definition of "god" as a creator of all of "reality. Then belief in god equates to the notion that all of reality is "created". Many atheists find the reasons for theists claiming this is so to be nonsensical, and illogical and I agree.
One cannot explain the origin of complexity be proposing a preexisting complexity. That just leads to infinite regression.
Christians often are inconsistent here claiming nature must be created because it seems to be complex. But then when asked where their more complex god comes from they say it "just is". This irrationality does not seem to bother christians but atheists often have a problem with believeing arguments which make no sense.
Since time is a property of the universe, and requires the universe for its meaning, what does it mean to an "action" to take place outside of time. Christians accept this without thinking as well.
These of these reasons ( plus many others ) bother many atheists who actually think about these issues.
2006-06-28 02:15:12 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
Believing in God requires faith, not knowledge. One can "know" that there is a God but the "proof" would be things that a non-believer could explain in a different way. To say that there definitely IS or ISN'T a God is a statement of what you believe. If it were anything more than that, there would be tangible proof in either direction. Proof that no one could discount. Much like if I say that there are cats in the world. Few people would argue with me because you have the tangible proof that cats exist. God is a whole different subject and saying there is or isn't a God is unique in that belief in God requires faith, that can't be touched, seen, tasted, heard, etc. So, I think both statements are just that, statements, not absolutes. There's not tangible proof either way, there's only what people choose to believe and feel.
2006-06-28 09:11:33 · answer #2 · answered by jada_riab 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I kinda understood but what I believe is that if you believe or don't doesn´t matter because that is our choice to do so but what I don't believe in is forcing people to believe in God or Allah or Buddha or what ever because in my opinion everyone at the end of the day believes in the same thing they just have a different way of doing it. The infinite Knowledge part well no one will ever have infinite knowledge because we are learning till the day we die. There will always be something new to learn.
"there is a god" assume infinite knowledge? No because its a belief.
OK well I don't think that helps at all and I've gone off track of what you were asking. sorry.
2006-06-28 09:11:38 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Any statement made by a human being is limited by the personal knowledge and experience of the individual, no matter what the subject is. This includes obviously any statements of a religious nature.
2006-06-28 09:01:35 · answer #4 · answered by Magic Gatherer 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Acknowledging does not necessarily mean to believe in the statement, to reject means to acknowledge and not believe.
Infinite knowledge? I don't think any mortal being can say they have, unless they have died and came back to life. like Jesus. I say "there is a God" not by infinite knowledge, but by simply believing by "faith" blessed are those who have seen and believed but those who have not seen and believed have greater reward.
2006-06-28 09:23:02 · answer #5 · answered by Mr. Advise = ) 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
We will never discover an absolute proof for or against a creator by looking through a microscope or a telescope. We can, however, study trends in science and determine if they tend toward confrontation or confluence with the Bible's unchanging worldview.
2006-06-28 09:09:07 · answer #6 · answered by Nep-Tunes 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Well the thing is you cannot prove a negative.
Saying "there is a god" is a positive and being so it requires you to provide proof of your statement.
2006-06-28 08:59:43 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
stating that there is a God does not require infinite knowledge.
you only need to know there isn't a god.
it's like this to say that white balloons don't exist you would have to have knowledge of all balloons. but to say a white balloon does exist you just need to see one white balloon
2006-06-28 09:02:23 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
saying "there is a God" can only be based on assumptions based on faith...
you could never prove the existence of God.
saying "there is no God" can again, only be based on assumptions based on faith (faith in no god is still faith)...
and when you assume things...you make an A SS out of U and ME...
i choose to be agnostic...
no one can rightfully refute or prove the existence of God...
some say thats a cop out, "i'm agnostic because i don't know..."
i say i'm agnostic because YOU don't know...
thats what i say to those fools.
no one knows.
and you don't need faith to believe that.
2006-06-28 09:20:05 · answer #9 · answered by Aidan316 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
God doesn't exist.
2006-06-28 09:08:58 · answer #10 · answered by Utkarsh 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋