They probably belongs to one of these cults that deny the trinity. But
YES, it is in the Old Testament. Genesis 1:1: In the beginning, Elohim created. That is not Yahweh, Elohim is a plurality, meaning more than one. Just like Cherubim and Seraphim, angels. Anything that ends in “im” is more than one.
Now, we know that God the Father was there, and you believed that. But in Genesis 1:2, the Holy Spirit moved upon the face of the waters. Then in Proverbs 30:4, it says, who hath created all the ends of the earth? Who hath created the world? What is God's name and what is His Son's name? That’s not the New Testament, that’s the Hebrew Scriptures. In Isaiah 9:6-7, it says, Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given. And what is the name of this son? The "Mighty God" in the next verse.
You see this? READ YOUR HEBREW SCRIPTURE, MY FRIEND.
Rapture
There is no conflict, it’s probably that you do not understand that there are two “appearings”: two comings of Christ - both with an “R”. The first is the “Rapture”. That's when we hear the words, “come up hither” in Revelation 4:1 and we're caught up in the twinkling of an eye, I Corinthians 15:52. The dead in Christ rise first, then we which are alive and remain are caught up with the dead in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, I Thessalonians 4:16.
Now the tribulation hour begins in chapter 6. We're already gone in chapter 4, with the come up hither. We get to verse 12, we have this problem with the sun you mentioned, but that precedes His coming back to earth, the second part of the Second Coming called His “Revelation”, or his revealing on earth. And revelation 6:12 says, “there was a great earthquake and the sun became black as sack cloth of hair and the moon as blood”. You find it again in Joel chapter 2, verses 30 and 31. But Jesus pinpoints the time in Matthew 24:29, immediately after the tribulation of those days, after the 7 years will the sun become darkened and the moon shall not give her light. Then Christ returns with his people for Jude 14 says the lord comes with ten thousands of his saints. You need to study the two “appearings” - the two “comings” of Christ, my friend.
I always remember a child being taught about the " Rapture" in the Catholic schools, but They called it" being caught up into heaven". Why do our churches seldom mention the event?
Catholic school they taught it as “being caught up”. That is I Thessalonians 4:17. You know, someone said you can't find the word “rapture” in the Bible. But you can in the Catholic Bible, the Latin Vulgate by Saint Jerome. When he gets to I Thessalonians 4:17, he uses the word “rapiamore” – it means raptured – where it says, “caught up” in our English versions. Why don't more churches do it? They don't study and they don't know what the Bible says. They don't study the catechism – they don’t study the Word of God. God forgive us for that situation.
I believe probably the most obvious would be events that happened in the Old Testament that seem like the Rapture. And, we have some in the Old Testament.
Well not actually what takes place at the Rapture, for then we get brand new bodies, to be like the body of Jesus, I John 3:2-3.
However, there were two men in the Old Testament who were snatched up to meet the Lord in the heavenlies. Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him. Now it was a form of the Rapture, but it wasn’t really the Rapture, because he’s on the other side in his old body. It was not changed as he went up. And then in 2 Kings 2:11, Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven, but he’s still there in his body. All the others are there as spirits, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, 2 Corinthians 5:8. And James teaches us that, chapter 2:27, as the body went out, the spirit is dead, because that sprit is with the Lord. So it’s a total heaven, full of spirits, even the angels, except these two bodies, and they come back, and they are the two witnesses of Revelation chapter 11. And in verse 12, after they’ve been killed, because the crowds don’t want to hear their preaching, they are caught up into heaven
He talks about a Pre-tribulation Rapture and the Tribulation is that seven-year period of judgment on earth – Revelation chapters 6 to 18 – because we go up in chapter 4 and it only begins in chapter 6. We call it a pre-tribulation Rapture and the Rapture is I Thessalonians 4 verses 16 to 18, when the dead in Christ rise and the living go up with them to meet the Lord in the air and all in the twinkling of an eye, I Corinthians 15:52.
However, during the seven-year period of Tribulation, the greatest revival in history occurs as 144,000 evangelists swarm the world in Revelation 7 verses 4 to 8, and they are preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom – Matthew 24:14. The King is coming and a multitude like the sands of the sea, Revelation 7:9, is converted and verse 14 says, “They came out of the Great Tribulation and washed their robes, made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Because of it, death comes to those new converts during that seven-year period in Revelation 6:9, 13:50 and Revelation 20 verse 4. Now Christ comes back with His saints, Jude 14, and Daniel 12:2 - the Old Testament Jews are raised and at that point, all those who died during the Tribulation are also raised. I hope that answers your question.
You notice. The 144,00 is Old testament evagelists. This will disappoint the Jehovah Witness'.
All of the Old Testament Believers have to be washed in The Blood of The Lamb. Jesus came to "Fulfill The Law of Moses. Not to change it. Jesus changed nothing, this was prophecied from the very begining.
NOBODY IS IN HEAVEN YET. THE NEW HEAVEN HAS NOT BEEN CREATED YET. THIS IS WHY. THE OLD TESTAMENT EVANGELISTS HAVE TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD. OLD TESTAMENT EVANGELISTS JOB IS NOT DONE YET. THEY STILL HAVE WORK TO DO.
2006-06-27 22:22:45
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answered by Anonymous
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The idea of "the rapture" was invented by John Nelson Darby a couple hundred years ago. The Trinity goes back a long way to the early councils of the 4th-6th centuries when the Church was trying to determine how Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are related to one another. What do I think? I think the Rapture theology is awful but popular because it looks like justice - we get what we deserve and everyone else gst destroyed. Makes the sacrifice of Christianity into purchasing fire insurance and ignores the genre of the Jewish apocalypse. Revelation is most likely an allegory about the Roman Empire. (See Eugene Boring's book Revelation.) The Trinity is important to the extent that it maintains the sensation that God is one and ineffible but has various aspects which can be conceived of as separate. It allows for a psychological pantheon within a montheistic religion, adjusts monotheism to the realities of the psyche. Ultimately I doubt whether God cares what we think of his essence and divisibility. An omnipotent God can be as many or as few as he wants, if it can be called a he or counted (which it can't in either case).
2016-03-27 06:39:31
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answered by Anonymous
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The Word, "Rapture":
If you check any exhaustive concordance, you'll not find the word "rapture" listed. However, we know that the Bible clearly teaches that believers will be caught up into the clouds at Jesus' coming, so where did the word rapture come from? It comes from the familiar rapture text:
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, and remain until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
The ancient texts of New Testament scripture were written in the Greek language, and the Greek word for "caught up" is harpazo. Later, the Bible was translated into Latin over 15 centuries ago. The Greek word harpazo was translated as the Latin word "raptios," which was later transliterated into English as the word "rapture". The word rapture means caught up, meanwhile the translators used the words caught up in the English Bible rather than the word rapture, so that people could more easily understand the concept. Nevertheless, the word rapture is a valid word to describe the catching up of believers when they are changed into their immortal bodies.
The Words, "the Holy Trinity":
The word "Trinity" is not used in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God, the fact that there are 3 coexistent, co-eternal persons that make up God. Understand that this is NOT in any way suggesting 3 Gods. The Trinity is 1 God made up of 3 persons. There is nothing wrong with using the term "Trinity" even though the word is not found in the Bible. It is shorter to say the word "Trinity" than to say "3 coexistent, co-eternal persons making up 1 God." Consider this: the word grandfather is not used in the Bible either. Yet, we know there were grandfathers in the Bible. Abraham was the grandfather of Jacob. What should be of real importance is that the concept that is REPRESENTED by the word "Trinity" does exist in Scripture.
2006-06-27 22:16:01
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answered by lindakflowers 6
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In the books of 2 chorintians 12: 2 & 4 1 thes 4:17 and revelations 12 :5 the word (CAUGHT UP) IN The Greek and Hebrew Language means RAPTURE or to take away by force My question to you is why do you ask. If you do your research the word trinity is not there but GOD Himself ecknowledges that he exists in three
1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
2006-06-27 22:09:27
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answered by Anonymous
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As said before me, the word "Trinity" in not mentioned in the Bible, but the doctrine described by this word is. (Ex. Matthew 28:19, 2 Cor. 13:14, Heb. 9:14) Obviously the word came about to describe the 3 ( as in "Tri-") Persons of God (The Father, Son and Holy Sprirt).
The term "Rapture" is also not mentioned in the Bible, however there are descriptions of the event of our gathering together to be with Christ. (1 Thess 4:17) The term "rapture" is derived from the Latin Vulgate of the above scriptural refrence - "we will be caught up" (Latin: rapiemur).
Hope this helped
God bless.
2006-06-27 21:59:34
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answered by Joshua S 2
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You will not find the exect word "Trinity" in the Bible but it's existance is confirmed in Mark 1: 10-11; Acts 1: 4-5; Matthew 28: 19.
2006-06-27 22:05:18
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answered by gio d 1
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Rapture comes from the greek translation The verses that are used are found in 1st Thessalonians Chapter 4 verse 17. I placed 1Thessalonians 4:13-18 for context.
"Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 14We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage each other with these words
The word for Trinity comes from the Old testment Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear O Israel the Lord our God is One." The word for one in this is a hebrew word for unity not quantity. When translated from Hebrew to Greek the Trinity comes into play. It is a greek word used to describe the hebrew word.
2006-06-27 21:52:49
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answered by Monique B 3
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Rapture = Jesus Christ come in the sky Matthew 25
The Holy Trinity = God the Father, God The Son, & God The Holy Spirit (Mt 28:18-20)
2006-06-27 21:51:15
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answered by Perawan 4
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Nope. Those are not Hebrew words.
Both consepts are well described in the Bible though.
2006-06-27 21:47:37
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answered by Dee 4
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Firstly, Thank you for allowing me to respond to this Question.
secondly, with reguard to your Question. you may be asking because you are in doubt. which is completely normal.
because if you go to anyone and ask them to explain to you the trinity, they will not be able to give you an adequete answer.
Never once did Jesus (peace be upon him) claim to be God. If you look into the bible, if you have a red lettered one that highlights supposedly what Jesus has said, than never once will you find that he told his people to worship him. On the contrary, he said "Worship Thy Father Alone" i.e. worship God Alone.
Third of All, In Islam we believe in Jesus as a highly respected Prophet of Allah (God). just like Moses, Adam, Abraham, Noah, etc.
They All came with the same message : To worship the creator Alone.
Indeed, it is very blasphemous to say that Jesus Is God.
#1. Jesus was A human, and everyone will agree upon that. meaning he ate, slept, used the bathroom, etc. Things that Muslims Believe are not attributes fit for the Lord of the Universe, because he is free of all needs.
#2. The Christians believed that Jesus died on the Cross. How can God Die? if that were the case, than how can it be that he would be on the cross saying "Why have you forsaken me" to the one who is in heaven, if they were one in the same. and how is it that He knew he would die, but didnt know at the same time?
and if he died for 3 days, who was God during those 3 days?
nothing makes sense.
but everything in Islam Makes sense. wouldnt it be more logical that he were a Righteous Prophet of God, rather than God himself?
If you believe
1. that there is no object worthy of worship but Allah (God)
2. you believe in the angles
3. Heaven and hell
4. The Books that came before (the Old testament, Gospels, Quran)
5. you believe in the all the Prophets of God starting from Adam, including Moses, Jesus, Abraham, Noah, and Muhammad peace be upon all of them)
and finally
6. Divine decree.
than welcome to Islam.
Finally, if you do not wish to listen to anything i've said, at least do one thing which you have nothing to lose.
Seek guidance from God himself to guide you on the strait path, and see where it leads you.
I Swear by Allah, that if you Sincerely and whole-heartedly ask Him for Guidance to the truth. He will lead you to it.
you have nothing you lose.
I ask God to guide you all to the truth. ameen.
2006-06-29 18:57:37
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answered by Shirien 3
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