Why not just open all borders ?

Question

If we were to open all borders, what exactly would happen ? A massive move of people and then what ? In the end, wouldn't it all regulate itself and people move where there is a chance of survival ?
Who gives you/us the right to tell people that they cannot come here ? Birth right ? That's life ? History ?

I didn't mean just U.S. borders, I meant ALL borders. Eventually people will settle. Taxes could be affixed to non-movable items or to consumables.

I don't think the population would mushroom to a few Billion in the U.S.. Within the European community one is now allowed to move freely and work anywhere. Why not take this concept and do it worldwide ? You honestly think Mexico would be an empty land the moment they were to open the border ? Yeah, for a few years, perhaps even a genration, it might be a bit choatic, but in the end, we'd have a fairer distribution of wealth, power,...
Close to 40.000 children starve to death every day, worldwide.

hadenough: you sound like a little child. My toy, my toy, I don't want to share.

I hope you realise that I'm only playing devil's advocat here.

King Midas - do you think a hispanic president would do worse than Bush ? Fox actually does ppretty well in Mexico and Harper in Canada as well. How about it, United States of the Americas ?

Evi E
There's no such thing as -0. If you're in a glasshouse....

ithinkiknow
Good argument ! When you say humanity, do you mean us in North America or the whole world. Do you think the majority would be better off or worse off if there was sucha thing as a world government ? Let's see, at the moment 40.000 children starve to death every day, Billions live in poverty. How exactly can it get worse for humanity ?

Rick:
1) I don't think so. They don't need oil to climb. It's time we get off the oil train anyway.
2) Yeah right, Everybody is served, equally ? BS. With immigrants comes money.
3) Spend a bit of the trillion dollar military budget on education and perhaps even foreign aid. Why spend a Billion on a bomber when said money could feed a LOT of people.
4) There will always be a common language. Language evolves.
5) Geez, crowded freeways are a hinderance ? Do you live in L.A. ?
6) Leave them alone, tell them to shove their oil where the sun isn't shining and we'll see.
Mindfull that 99% of people are no threat, we still have to be mindfull of the 1%. There're nutcases everywhere, look at Pat Roberts.

yars232c
"tell Canada that is already on the verge of breaking up because of unchecked immigration"

Excuse me ? I live in Quebec, Canada. The nationalist movement here has NOTHING to do with unchecked immigration. If at all, immigrants halted it.

Not people that blow themselves up routinely, in hopes to take-out the 'infidel'. There's a difference. Pat is nothing in the scheme of things, but you fly one plane into a building, you're actually something worth worrying about.

The death of a few thousand people is also nothing in the scheme of things. I hate to repeat it over and over, but 10.000s of people starve to death every day. Let's do something about that and the image of the U.S., worldwide, will be altered. Feed the hungry, help the hungry feed themselves and in the longrun create new marketplaces as well. The money spent on Irak could have done so much good (even though I'm one of the more liberal minded people I agree with the removal of Hussein, but at this price ?).

Answer 1

I agree, Unite into one government with the capital in Panama.

Answer 2

Have you ever read the book "Lord of the Flies" The premises is so true. As long as you have people you have a multitude of personalities. Many are peace loving, many are submissive, and many have a need to lead, to be in charge, to be the boss of us all.

Without borders you would create a world government....and who would be "king" or "president"? And who would be chosen, from what part of the planet? How would they be chosen? What kind of laws would be the rule? If the majority of the world was unhappy about the "leader" how would they change? By War?

Probably.

Perhaps borders give us a sense of security in that in a limited space people can decide how they are ruled or governed. Those in oppressive states can revolt...happens all the time. People who have gotten down a pretty good system (United States) will continue on.

We are the U.S. because we didn't want the government that Mexico, England, France, China, or any other nations has. We want what we have. However flawed, it does work for us. If we don't like it, we campaign for another leader, we protest, we propose new laws, or we can move to a place that suits us better.

Answer 3

You're right, why should we monitor who comes into this country. To hell with it, let's open the borders and let everyone come and go as they please.

Umm, no Vicente. We can't do that for many reasons, but here's a couple for ya:

1) 9/11
- this would negate any progress we've made with tracking terrorists trying to enter this country, or fund existing cells within it. You would be begging for another type of attack. You would make it easy for illegal narcotics to enter this country. It would only be a matter of time before some type of WMD made its way in with the door left wide open

2) Survival?

- You said it yourself. If we open the borders and wait until the end result like you described, "people would just move to where there is a chance for survival", we would be screwed. No one would move anywhere else until there was nothing left to stay for. Maybe that's what you want to happen, but it really is an idiotic point to argue.

Answer 4

So you support a one world government? You must, because that is what your line of thinking is leading to. How can countries have complete open borders without losing sovereignty to a global government, aka one world order?

Is that really a wise thing for humanity?

As corrupt as small governments can get, do we really want a global governing body that we cannot overthrow in charge of all of us on the planet?

Think about it. It sounds great in theory, but when you calculate the human equation into it, with the truth that 'absolute power corrupts absolutely', it is very, very dangerous.

Just consider all of the possible outcomes, and realize that history has taught us that it just wouldn't work out to be the halcyon people wish it could be.

Answer 5

All borders? Sure, tell that to the Somalians and Zimbabwe, tell Canada that is already on the verge of breaking up because of unchecked immigration. Tell the Russians, Greece and Turkey they have to take Mexicans - or even their neighbors.

Here is what will happen if you all don't go out and vote for enforcement only,. not only in the elections but the primaries and all your communities:

Answer 6

The fact of the matter is: people in the US take protection and freedom for granted. We pay for this -- literally with taxes. People who come into the country (who have already violated FEDERAL law) do not generally pay taxes. Think of it this way: when any one of those kinds of people are hurt...they go to the emergency room and they get taken care of. A separate fund of $1 Billion dollars annually is set aside for this reason. And yet when a legal tax paying citizen that does not have health insurance goes to the emergency room, they cannot get care.

Now...would you like to open the borders?

Answer 7

It called the law of America. Why do we need to provide for people who are here illegally? Other countries do not have open borders, why should we. Those countries need to provide for its ppl. America should not be the problem and life solvers of the world. I know we are a super power, but, come on. A little competition from other countries should be in order. Those countries should try to sustain the super power title as well. Competitive nature, try and beat America and provide for your own ppl...

Answer 8

No, it would not regulate itself, because we subsidize services like education. If there were true capitalism with no subsidized services, theoretically the market would decide. Mind you, the world is so teeming with truly poor that the market for labor would fall to the lowest common denominator world wide. This is a huge step backwards for developed countries.

However, as I said, we subsidize services. For every poor immigrant, we have to either pay more or stretch the services like education we pay for for our own people to cover the foreigners, too. That is why immigration of poor immigrants is limited in every developed country that subsidizes services. That is why illegal immigration is causing our education and health services to fail.

That is the problem.

We built the country, including its schools and hospitals. We pay for education and health care and subsidize the poor people who even with taxes pay nothing like the $18,000 per year it takes to educate one child in California. That gives us the right to say who can come.

Answer 9

The US has spent 230+ Years creating infrastructure to make it a land of opportunity. Other countries have chosen not to design their countries to be a land of opportunity. The book the Ugly American has stopped much in the 1st world from creating infrastructure in the 3rd World. Circulating wealth creates more wealth. Infrastructure enables wealth.

Answer 10

People are afraid of a power shift. If Mexicans were the majority what are the chances of them electing a Mexican President as the leader of the United States.

Answer 11

I don't want it and I have first say, being born here
And enough reason by all (many many)who feel that way have been told a million times on posts.
It is our ball and we don't have to give it away=you play by our rules and we might let you play. Our game not yours.

And you sound like a selfish kid who wants things that belongs to others. And I am far from young sonny.
You can start your own game in your own back yard if you don't want our rules.

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