the difference between God forgivness in the Quran and the Trinitians?

Question

God mercy and forgiviness in the Quran:
Quran ch6
[54] When those who believe in Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) come to you, say: "Salâmun 'Alaikum" (peace be on you); your Lord has written (prescribed) Mercy for Himself, so that, if any of you does evil in ignorance, and thereafter repents and does righteous good deeds (by obeying Allâh), then surely, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.


in Trinitians:
God cannot forgive unless He sends His Own Son. to be tortured, humiliated, and then get killed by the people that God has created. but even after that you will still have to ask for forgiviness and repent so you can be forgiving.

Jesus said: My God! my God, why haven't you forsaken me?

is that right?

Answer 1

If you still have to ask for forgiveness, then didn't Jesus die for nothing?
What a waste of His precious life.

Answer 2

God is merciful. Unfortuantly, sin carries the penalty of death.

Try looking at it from this angle: Man screwed up the relationship with God but screwed it up so bad only God could fix it. Remeber, sin = death. Jesus chose to take that penalty for us.

I"m not sure if the Jesus quote is an actual question or a way of making a point but just in case, no, He said, My God, My God, why HAVE you forsaken me. On that note, most bible studiers agree that he is actually quoting David in the book of Psalms. I forget the exact psalm but i could look it up if you want to know. The neat thing, the part that makes me think a little more about what was going on there and what it was like for Jesus is that if you read that psalm David ends by basically saying (paraphrased) "but i know you will never leave my nor forsake me."

i'd love to chat more about this if you would, i don't know as much about islam as i'd like to. [e-mail]

oh, and it sounds like the Quran is requring "good works" along with repentance. In Christianity, good works are expected to flow naturaly as "fruit" of the good work done in you but is not considered a requirement per se. though i may not be understanding the quote you use well.

Answer 3

What is this Trinitians? I do not recognize the word, though I do not have any religion.

You have selected an appropriate quote from the Quran here which is admirable. But the idea of a vengeful god as portrayed here, is in the Old Testament which belongs to the Jewish religion. The words of Christ are in the New Testament.

But what about Quran and the Sharia? Prescribing the stoning of sinning women to death, cutting off limbs of thieves, marrying 4 wives and divorcing them at will with a few words, with only food and clothes for a couple of months, while they cannot diverse you except through court, requiring from them total obedience with the right to beat them, automatic right to the children in diverse killing those who abandon Islam, killing infidels,etc.

Really when it comes to barbaric practices, there is no religion that comes close to Islam, as any non-Muslim will tell you, except that the wish not to offend you might prevent him.

Answer 4

Well I am muslim and we believe that God will forgive almost every sin you have commited as long as you have seeked forgiveness for it and truly meant it. There are some sins that cannot be forgiven tho, such as cheating someone out of money, not praying and rape I believe. Unfortunately, I know nothing about Trinitians. Another thing about muslims....we don't believe that Jesus was the son of God. We just believe that he was a holy prophet.

Answer 5

There is more to that than you might believe. Christianity comes from Judaism which believed in order to atone for sins, one must sacrifice cattle, crops, and sometimes children (depending on sin). God's own Son was the ULTIMATE sacrifice and atonement for sin and you kind of have to believe that in order to live by it. Otherwise, Christians would be practicing Jews. And Christ did call out to His Father, but you have to remember, He was human and He was scared and He had been forsaken and allowed to die which stirred up emotions within Him. You make it sound so heartless, so cold, so empty, but the truth is, it's the way it was meant to be for a reason.

Answer 6

Al-Qur'an 3:64

Al-Qur'an 20:25-28
Greet you in the same manner as Jesus (pbuh) greeted in Hebrew Luke 24:36
‘Sholam alay kum’
or Islamic greeting in Arabic Assalaamu alai kum
both meaning ‘Peace be on you’.

INTRODUCTION

Similarities / Similar Teachings in the Qur’an and

the Bible which Muslims follow but Christians don't


I
ISLAM

1.
DEFINITION

A.
Meaning of Islam

(i)
Islam is derived from the word salaam meaning peace.

(ii)
Submission to the Will of Allah (swt) i.e. God Almighty.

B.
Meaning of ‘Muslim’ – One who submits his will to Allah.

C.
Islam is not a new religion found by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

2.
MESSENGERS IN ISLAM

A.
(i)
To every nation was sent a Guide or a Messenger
Al-Qur'an 35:24
Al-Qur'an 13:7


(ii)
25 Prophets mentioned by name in the Qur'an

(iii)
Islam is the only non-Christian faith that believes in Jesus (pbuh)

(iv)
Stories only of some prophets mentioned in Qur'an
Al-Qur'an 4:164
Al-Qur'an 40:78


(v)
More than 1,24,000 Messengers according to Hadith

B.
(i)
Previous Messengers were only sent for their people and nation and their complete message was meant only for a particular time period.

(ii)
Moses (pbuh) was only sent for the Jews.

(iii)
Jesus (pbuh) sent only for the Jews i.e. lost sheep of Israel.
Al-Qur'an 3:49
Mathew 10:5-6
Mathew 15:24


(iv)
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the Last and Final Messenger for the
Whole of Mankind.
Al-Qur'an 33:40
Al-Qur'an 21:107
Al-Qur'an 34:28
Sahih Bukhari Vol.1 Book of Salaah Chapter 56 Hadith No. 429


(v)
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in the Bible.
Al-Qur'an 7:157
Al-Qur'an 61:6
Deuteronomy 18:18
Isaiah 29:12
Song of Solomon 5:16
John 16:7
John 16:12-14


3.
REVELATIONS OF GOD

A.
Several Revelations sent by Allah – Al-Qur'an 13:38.
By name only four are mentioned in the Qur’an.


B.
(i)
The Qur’an is the Last and Final Revelation.

(ii)
All previous Revelations before Qur'an were only sent for a particular group of people and for a particular time period

(iii)
The Qur’an was Revealed for the Whole of Mankind
Al-Qur'an 14:1
Al-Qur'an 14:52
Al-Qur'an 2:185
Al-Qur'an 39:41


II
PILLARS OF ISLAM:

1.
Tauheed: Monotheism

A.
La ilaha ilallahu, Muhammad-ur-Rasoolullah
Sahih Bukhari Vol. 1 Hadith No. 7


B.
Believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels and the Book and the Messengers.
Al-Qur'an 2:177


C.
Come to common terms — Worship of one God
Al-Qur'an 3:64


D.
Concept of God
Al-Qur'an 112:1-4
Deuteronomy 6:4
Mark 12:29


E.
Shirk – Biggest Sin
Al-Qur'an 4:48
Al-Qur'an 4:116
Exodus 20:2-5
Deuteronomy 5:7-9


F.
Jesus (pbuh) not God. He never claimed Divinity
Al-Qur'an 5:72
John 14:28
John 10:29
Mathew 12:28
Luke 11:20
John 5:30
Acts 2:21


G.
99 Attributes of Almighty God
Al-Qur'an 17:110


H.
Prefer using name ‘Allah’ rather than the word ‘God’ as the word ‘God’ can be played around with. Allah in the Bible – Eli, Eli, Lama Sabachthani
Mark 15:34
Mathew 27:46


2.
Salaah

A.
Not merely Prayers but Programming
Al-Qur'an 5:90
Al-Qur'an 2:188


B.
Prayers restrain you from shameful and unjust deeds

Al-Qur'an 29:45


C.
Salaah timings – for healthy soul five times a day
. Al-Qur'an 17:78
Al-Qur'an 20:130


D.
Take off shoes before entering mosque.

(i)
Commandment of Allah to Moses
Al-Qur'an 20:11-12
Exodus 3:5
Acts 7:33


(ii)
Can Pray with Shoes.
Sunan Abu Dawood – Vol. 1, Book of Salaah, Chapter 240,
Hadith No. 652-653.


(iii)
Hygienic

E.
Ablution

(i)
Al-Qur'an 5:6
Exodus 40:31-32
Acts 21:26


(ii)
Hygienic

(iii)
Mental Preparation

F.
Stand shoulder to shoulder, while praying –
Sahih Bukhari – Vol. 1, Book of Adhan Chapter 75 Hadith no. 692
Abu Dawood – Vol. 1, Book of Salaah Chapter 245 Hadith No. 666.


G.
Sujud – Prostration

(i)
To humble your mind, humble your body

(ii)
Sujud mentioned 92 times in the Qur’an
Al-Qur'an 3:43
Al-Qur'an 22:77


(iii)
Prostration in the Bible
Genesis 17:3; Numbers 20:6
Joshua 5:14; Mathew 26:39


3.
Zakaah

A.
Meaning: Purification and Growth

B.
Description: 2.5% of saving every lunar year in charity
Al-Qur'an 9:60


C.
If every human being gives Zakaah, not a single person will die of hunger.

D.
"Wealth does not circulate only amongst the wealthy and the rich"
Al-Qur'an 59:7


E.
I Peter 4:8

4.
SAUM - FASTING

A.
Description – one lunar month i.e. during the month of Ramadaan every lunar year, Muslims fast, i.e. abstain from food and drinks from sunrise till sunset.

B.
Benefits: learn self restraint. If you can control your hunger you can control almost all your desires. It enhances spiritual awareness.
Al-Qur'an 2:183


C.
Medical Benefits:

(a)
Increases absorption capacity of intestines

(b)
Lowers cholestrol.

D.
Discourages smoking, alcoholism and other addictions.

E.
Bible prescribes Fasting
Mathew 17:21
Mark 9:29


5.
HAJJ

A.
Description – Pilgrimage atleast once in life time if you can afford it

B.
Universal Brotherhood – 2.5 million people from all over the world gather, wear two pieces of unsewn cloth, preferably white. Cannot differentiate between rich and poor.
Al-Qur'an 49:13


C.
Significance of Kaaba – Muslims don’t worship it
Psalms 84:4-7


III
ISLAM IS A COMPLETE WAY OF LIFE
These five pillars do not constitute complete Islam. Only if the pillars are strong, will the structure be strong.


1.
HUMANS CREATED TO WORSHIP ALLAH

A.
Jinn and Man created for worship of Allah
Al-Qur'an 51:56


B.
Meaning of Ibadaah – root word Abd meaning ‘slave’.

2.
OBEYING COMMANDMENTS OF ALLAH IS SUBMITTING YOUR WILL TO ALLAH

A.
Abstaining from alcohol
Al-Qur'an 5:90
Proverbs 20:1
Ephesians 5:18


B.
Abstaining from prohibited food
Al-Qur'an 5:5
Al-Qur'an 2:173, 5:3, 6:145, 16:115


(i)
Dead meat
Leviticus 17:15
Deuteronomy 14:21


(ii)
Blood
Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:14, Deuteronomy 12:16,
I Samuel 14:33, Acts 15:29


(iii)
Pork is prohibited
Leviticus 11:7-8
Deuteronomy 14:8
Isaiah 65:2-5


(vi)
Food on which names beside Allah have been invoked
Acts 15:29; Revelation 2:14


C.
(i)
Being Honest in your Business

(ii)
Helping Neighbours
Al-Qur'an 107:1-7

(iii)
Abstaining from Backbiting
Al-Qur'an 104:1-3
Al-Qur'an 49:11-12


(iv)
Obeying and Respecting Parents
Al-Qur'an 17:23, 24


(v)
Celibacy or Monasticism is prohibited in Islam
Sahih Bukhari: Vol. 7 Book of Nikah, Chapter No. 3, Hadith No. 4


(vi)
Loving, being Kind and Just to your Wife
Al-Qur'an 4:19


(vii)
Abstaining from Adultery
Al-Qur'an 17:32


D.
Dressing Modestly

(i)
Al-Qur'an 24:30
Mathew 5:27-28


(ii)
Al-Qur'an 24:31

(iii)
Six Criteria for Hijab in Islam
Deuteronomy 22:5
I Timothy 2:9 e.g. of Mary
I Corinthians 11:5-6


E.
Circumcision
Acts 7:8
John 7:22
Luke 2:21

F.
In short, every Muslim should follow all the Commandments of Allah (swt) and His Messenger Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and abstain from the things they have prohibited.

CONCLUSION

(a)
If Christian is a person who follows the teachings of Christ (pbuh) and not one who worships Christ (pbuh). (We are more Christian than the Christians themselves).

(b)
Muslim is a person who submits his will to Allah.
Jesus (pbuh) said, "not my will but thy will be done." i.e. Muslim.
John 5:30







(c)


Al-Qur'an 5:82

IS ALLAH FORGIVING OR REVENGEFUL?


Question:

The Qur’an says several times that Allah is most Merciful and Forgiving but also says many times that He gives severe punishment. Is He Forgiving or Revengeful?

Answer:

1. Allah is most Merciful
The Qur’an says several times that Allah is the most Merciful. In fact all the 114 Surahs i.e. chapters of the Glorious Qur’an except for Surah Taubah chapter 9, begin with the beautiful formula, Bismillah-hir-Rahman-nir-Rahim, which means, "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful".

2. Allah is Forgiving
The Glorious Qur’an mentions in several verses including Surah Nisa, chapter 4 verse 25 and Surah Maidah, chapter 5 verse 74:

"And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

3. Allah gives severe punishment to the deserving
Allah besides being Merciful and Forgiving is also strict in giving punishment to the deserving. The Qur’an mentions in several verses that Allah will give severe punishment to the unbelievers and rejecters of faith. He will give punishment to all those who disobey Him. Several verses of the Qur’an describe the various types of severe punishment that Allah will give in hell to all those who disobey.

"Those who reject our Signs, we shall soon cast into the Fire; as often as their skins

Are roasted through, we shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise".
[Al-Qur’an 4:56]

4. Allah is Just
The question is, whether Allah is forgiving or revengeful? An important point to be noted is that Allah besides being Merciful and Forgiving, He also has to give severe punishment to the deserving wicked or evil people, because He is also Just. The Qur’an mentions in Surah Nisa: "Allah is never unjust in the least degree".
[Al-Qur’an 4:40]

It is further mentioned in Surah Al-Ambiya:

"We shall set up scales of justice for the day of Judgement, so that not a soul will be dealt with unjustly in the least. And if there be (no more than) the weight of a mustard seed, we will bring it (to account): and enough are we to take account".
[Al-Qur’an 21:47]

5. Example: Teacher forgives a student who copies in the examination
If during an examination, a student copies and the teacher who supervises in the examination catches the student red-handed, the teacher says that he is very merciful and kind and forgives him and allows him to continue copying. Those students who have worked hard for the examination will not call the teacher merciful and kind but will call him unjust. This merciful act of the teacher will encourage the other students to also copy. If all the teachers are merciful and kind and allow the students to copy then no student will ever study for examinations and all will pass with flying colours by copying. The theoretical results of the examinations will be excellent in which all the students will pass with first class and distinction but practically these students will be a failure in life. The whole purpose of the examination would be defeated.

6. This Life is a Test for the Hereafter
The life in this world is a test for the Hereafter. The Qur’an says in Surah Al Mulk: "He who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed; and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving".
[Al-Qur’an 67:2]

7. If Allah forgives all and punishes none, who will obey him?
If Allah (swt) forgives each and every human being and punishes no one, then why should the human beings obey the command of Allah (swt)? I do agree that no one will go to hell, but this world would become hell to live in. If all human beings are going to go to heaven then what is the purpose and use of the human beings to come to this world, this life cannot be called a test for the hereafter.

8. Allah only forgives if a person repents
Allah (swt) only forgives if a person repents. The Qur’an says in Surah Al-Zumar, chapter 39 verse 53-55:

"Say: ‘O my servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

"Turn ye to your Lord (in repentance) and bow to His (will), before the penalty comes on you - after that ye shall not be helped."

"And follow the best of (the courses) revealed to you from your Lord, before the penalty comes on you - of a sudden, while ye perceive not!"
[Al-Qur’an 39:53-55]

There are four criteria for repentance: First, agree that the act is wrong. Secondly, stop it immediately. Thirdly, never do it again in future. And lastly, compensate for the loss if caused to anyone.