Sin question #2...?

Question

This goes along with my other question about Adam and Eve:

God placed man in the perfect environment of the garden of Eden. All the fruit of the plants and trees were available for food-- all but one. This tree was the test of man's volition. The penalty for eating from this tree was SPIRITUAL death--separation from God. In omniscience GOD KNEW THAT MAN WOULD SIN. So HIs plan included a perfect solution for the fall of man.


Your thoughts?

the perfect solution to the fall of man was the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Because through Him, we have atonement for our sins.

Answer 1

i dont think the garden of eden was perfect. i think it was just what the bible said it was, "good." you see when man ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil he didn't become sinful he became aware of sin, or in other words aware of good and evil. This made him responsible for his actions. you see God didn't create us perfect and then it didn't work out. it is a process working its way up to perfection. This process is still going on.

Answer 2

This story is not true in a literal sense. it has symbolic valiue. If you believe in God, it's kind of difficult to accept God as some kind of deceitful trickster - leading people astray. It would be cruel at the very least. So what was the purpose of that story? What is the symbolic lesson to be taken? I think the story was written to try to control people and to keep them from thinking and acting too freely, out of the jurisdiction of the Crhistian heirarchy. To be fair about it, I am sure there are tales from many other religions that have the same purpose. In any case it is a perversion of the concept of a just and beneficent God and fundamentally insulting to all women. Why do so many men hate women so much, when they have loving mothers and daughters?

Answer 3

The Bible says that God made man after "His own image". God needed a companion, so he created human beings. However, God knew that making something in His own image would mean having to give this something a mind of it's own which it could use to make it's own choices. God was fully aware that man was able to sin if he only would choose so.

That is why God had a plan. He knew already the cost He would need to pay, He knew Adam and Eve would sin that first sin, and He knew that He'd have to give up His son for them, and for us. But he did it anyway. He fully understood what His actions would bring to Him, but He did it anyway.

We will not fully understand the exact reason why God chose to create us, until we get to Heaven. But for now, I just trust that He made the best decision, and He knows why He did it. I don't need to know, because He knows. That's all there is to it. Don't you think?

Answer 4

True, all the plants and trees were available, all but one. Why? To test the human couple to see if they truly loved God. If you have a child, don't you have the right to say what they can and can not touch? And don't you tell them that they will be disciplined if they don't listen? Not everything God made had to be for the human couple. God's the creator, so he has the right to withhold what he wants, in this case, it was a certain tree. It was not a hard task to follow, for they were given plenty of other beautiful fruits to eat. As for it being a "spiritual" death, what does that mean? They literally died - some hundred years later. Yes, they were also separated from God, but he still watched over them, it did rain and shine on them. He still blessed them, he let them have children, he just didn't intervene in their lives, he let them make their own decisions without his help.

God had given Adam everything for his enjoyment. Adam himself did not make the earth to produce the fine things to eat. He did not create his beautiful companion Eve. He did not make his own body, with the faculties that enabled him to enjoy the things he had. But, while Adam loved and enjoyed the fine life he had been kindly given, he did not follow through in an obedient way.

Eventually Adam came to put his supposed interests above those of his heavenly Father. He thought more of his immediate desires than of the family of God and the offspring that he was to have. Even imperfect humans despise a man who is a traitor to his family and who sells his own children into slavery and death. And that is what Adam did.—Romans 7:14.

“This knowledge is a privilege which God reserves to himself and which man, by sinning, is to lay hands on, [Genesis] 3:5, 22. Hence it does not mean omniscience, which fallen man does not possess; nor is it moral discrimination, for unfallen man already had it and God could not refuse it to a rational being. It is the power of deciding for himself what is good and what is evil and of acting accordingly, a claim to complete moral independence by which man refuses to recognise his status as a created being. The first sin was an attack on God’s sovereignty, a sin of pride.”

The tree was, in effect, symbolic of the boundary—the line of demarcation—or the limit of man’s proper domain. It was right and proper, yes, essential, that God inform Adam of that boundary. For a perfect man to eat of that tree would require the deliberate assent of his will. It would indicate the determination made beforehand that he would withdraw himself from subjection to God’s rulership, to go out on his own, doing what was “good” or “bad” according to his own decisions.

Answer 5

It seems to me your god is just bored and decided to play a game. Adam and Eve would not have sinned if the serpent had not been allowed to tempt them. They would not have sinned if the tree wasn't there. They would not have sinned if god hadn't implanted a rebelious streak in them. etc.

Then he plans for a solution to the problem that he is ultimately culpable for creating. What could be the possible motive for all this silliness?

Answer 6

the perfect solution is the shed of the blood of an innocent... a sacrifice.
since man keep on sinning God had the Perfect Lamb Sacrifice in mind...
Search the Book of Books
the Bible

Answer 7

You're right. Eventually the tree would have been eaten from. If Adam and Eve could have children and populate Eden, someone somewhere along the line would have eaten from the tree and cursed all of his/her descendents.

Answer 8

no it really didn't. i have a fire place in my house, but does that mean i am creating a perfect situation for me to burn myself every single day? no, it means i know not to do that because the outcome will be bad. You have a highway near you, does that mean it is the perfect situation for you to walk out into traffic and get hit? no, it means that you know that would be a bad outcome, and you don't do it, the same with the tree, man did a dumb thing, God didn't. Thanks,
Matt

Answer 9

same as in the other question. It was for the plan of salvation. Christ was choosen as the redeemer and savior long before out time on Earth. We would not need a Savior to attone for us if there were no sin. Satan was cast out of Heaven due to his plan--which was a "perfect world" with no ability to exercize our free choice.

Answer 10

You just may be taking this too literally
The Eden story is similar to many creation myths
The symbolism is very old
Among the many lessons in Eden, my favorite (to watch others ignore) is PLANS FALL APART
roc on!