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THE TRINITY
The whole first 800 years of Christianity was spent upholding, finessing, and strengthening the dogma of the Trinity. It one of if not the the primary battle that Christians faced theologically. All major disputes are only part of the larger context surrounding this belief.

"Victor ious" above is not a student of history. (sorry to do this to you but you are so off the mark historically that it is unbelievable)

The doctrine of the Trinity is encapsulated in

Matthew 28:19, where Jesus instructs the apostles: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

(Didache 7:1 [A.D. 70]). After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. . . . If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

And throughout the writings of the Eastern and Western Fathers.

"Victor ious" is thus incorrect to say that Tertullian formulated the concept (however Tertullian is the first known to use the word trinity to encapsulate the previously held belief). "Victor ious" must not have read Tertullian because if he did, he would know that Tertullian is not regarded by Catholics as a shining example of belief in the Trinity. Tertullian died a Montanist, a heretic. Montanists held the belief that the Trinity consisted of only a single person, similar to Sabellianism, as opposed to the orthodox view that the Trinity is one God of three persons. Montanists are similar (but still wildly different) in their views to charismatic "oneness" Pentecostals, in regards to their understanding of charismas and the denial of the Trinity.

"Victor ious" is also wrong in saying that Rome adopted belief in the Trinity after Tertullian. St. Pope Clement c.a. 80 AD wrote "Do we not have one God, one Christ, and one Spirit poured out upon us?" This is a clear belief in the understanding of a Triune God (One God in Three Persons) that would later become expressed in more nuanced terms.

Belief in the Trinity, and a subsequent Trinitarian baptism has been held from the beginning by both the East and the West as THE DEFINITION OF WHAT MAKES A CHRISTIAN A CHRISTIAN.

A person might not believe in the Trinity, but then they cannot be a Christian. The whole first 800 years of Christianity was spent upholding, finessing, and strengthening the dogma of the Trinity. It is the primary battle that Christians faced theologically.
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THE RAPTURE

There is no rapture. What is meant by the term in modern times is a lie and it comes out of the works of a 19th century American named John Darby (look him up and you will find that he was into occult practices). The doctrine of a secret rapture was first conceived by John Darby of the Plymouth Brethren in 1827 It has nothing to do with how Paul and his followers understood what he wrote. Even a loose understanding of "rapture" is virtually unheard of in the writings of the Church Fathers.

If the tribulation comes during our life times, the idea of the rapture is going to have many Christians turn away and apostatize. Christians will suffer greatly before the end, and if you think you are going to get raptured, but end up suffering, you will assume that Christianity is wrong.

the book "The Rapture Trap" among many many others.

2006-06-26 15:49:15 · answer #1 · answered by Liet Kynes 5 · 0 0

The rapture is “the sudden disappearance of millions and millions of people without so much as a trace of where they went!” So said one Protestant evangelist. According to the Evangelical Dictionary of Theology, the term “rapture” refers to “the church being united with Christ at his second coming.”

Bible shows that before the start of Christ’s promised Thousand Year Reign, there will be a period called the “great tribulation.” Said Jesus: “Then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.” (Matthew 24:21) Some place the rapture ahead of the great tribulation. Others expect it during that time. Still others think that the rapture will come after that unparalleled distress.

In England there developed a movement headed by a former Church of Ireland clergyman, John Nelson Darby. He and like-minded Anglicans became known as the Brethren. From his Plymouth base, Darby traveled to preach in Switzerland and elsewhere in Europe. He asserted that Christ’s return would occur in two stages. It would begin with a secret rapture, in which the “saints” would be caught away before a seven-year period of tribulation devastated the earth. Then Christ would appear visibly, accompanied by these “saints,” and together they would rule on earth for a thousand years.

The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”
The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.

In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”

2006-06-26 17:58:24 · answer #2 · answered by BJ 7 · 0 0

The concepts are there even though the words are not. This is a lengthy study. It can not be properly answered in this forum

The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost are all mentioned many times... All three form what is refered to as The Trinity.

You may visit my website if you like at: www.mikesoutreach.com

go to the index page and click on The Trinity and also the Rapture page if you care to....

I do not keep track of who visits and I do not spam visitors.... that would not be polite and could be concidered a sin if i did so.... so I dont

2006-06-26 14:51:47 · answer #3 · answered by IdahoMike 5 · 0 0

Rapture does appear in the Bible it is the greek word for being caught up found in 1 Thess 5. We do that with a lot of words in Christianity such as "Charismatics", "Halaluah", "Baptize" etc.
The word trinity is just a word we Christians use to denote the doctrine of a triune God which is clearly taught in the Bible. We know what we mean even if you don't.

2006-06-26 14:54:34 · answer #4 · answered by oldguy63 7 · 0 0

'Trinity ' is a description put on the three figures of the God Head:

God the Father.
God the Son.
God the Holy Spirit.

Several times in scripture, it refers to God the Father...and then, it makes mention of Christ (as "God") in Colossians 2:9, and then the coming of the Holy Spirit...

and just consider this: Since Isaiah 43:11 says there is no other Savior apart from God, and Deut. 6:13 declares to Worship the Lord your God ONLY ---

than why would Matthew 28:19 make reference to them on equal status, if there were no Trinity?

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," Matthew 28:19

The Three are one.

...As for the issue of rapture:
It's made reference in Revelations (I think??) I haven't given in a whole lot of thought --- but I will get back to you on exact references. Again "rapture" is just a description word that's been put on it.

It's not only the dead that will be judged...the alive in Christ will also. And obviously, before that happens, God is going to collect them onto himself.

2006-06-26 15:14:10 · answer #5 · answered by redglory 5 · 0 0

The trinity doctrine is a pagan belief that was fused into apostate Christianity in the fourth century
The term 'rapture' is a misinterpretation of scripture based on 1Thess.4:16,17 where the related words "caught away" are found.But the Bible does not indicate that there will be a literal bodily return of Christ to earth.Rather,it shows that he returns in the sense of turning his attention to the earth and to accomplish certain definite purposes respecting mankind.
Christ's descending as mentioned at 1Thess.4:16,is in the same sense as the Scriptures speak of God descending to earth,found at 2Sam.22:10.These words don't mean that Jehovah is going to leave his place in heaven,but that he will turn his attention to affairs on earth.

2006-06-26 15:41:12 · answer #6 · answered by lillie 6 · 0 0

"Trinity" was not taught in the New Testament Church. About 200 years afterword a man called, Tertullian formulated the concept of trinity (Trinitos). The Roman Catholic Church officially adopted it about a century after that. A False doctrine whereby many churches still hold this Roman Catholic embracement and try to bend the scriptures to suit the trinitarian thought.

2006-06-26 15:01:14 · answer #7 · answered by Victor ious 6 · 0 0

these ideas came from man not God.

for full details see the following website:

http:www.waywardsonministries.com

see Mt Everest for discussions of the rapture. the trinity is not mentioned in here as of yet. i would think however, this may end up in here, as this site covers many strange and unusual conversations. or you could get in touch with them, they do list their email in the contact us spots.

2006-06-26 14:46:19 · answer #8 · answered by keanweaner 4 · 0 0

Religious hallucinations.

2006-06-26 14:46:44 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

neither does the word sausages

2006-06-26 14:47:20 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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