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Please be open-minded and don't insult as I'm asking to understand:

1- Is the life limited to 120 years? According to: Genisis 6:3 and Genisis 11:11??

2- How many singers? 200 or 245? According to Ezra 2:65 and Nehemiah 7:67?

3-How did Judas die? Was it like in Matthew 27:5 or Acts 1:18??

4-Why did Jesus deny divinity? In Mark 10:17-18 and Luke 18:18-19? (PLEASE don't say he was humble, Jesus would never lie to be humble, God's sends never lie).

5-Why did Jesus use the word ALSO in John 14:1? Is it because he and Almighty God are the same or different?

6- Would a god thank another God? Like in: Luke 10:21, or would a god pray like in:John 14:16, 17:1, 17:9, 17:11, 17:15, or would deity be helpless as in John 5:19, 5:30, 7:28, 8:28, or would a god be an intercessor like in: Romans 8:34? Or would a god have a god? John 20:17

If you gave me verses that prove that divinity of Jesus, where he says: I'm a god, worship me, they would contradict those. So please answer!

2006-06-26 09:20:51 · 19 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

19 answers

You cannot expect to read the bible and understand it unless you are guided by the holy spirit to understand. All other should go to bible school and be taught by scholars of christianity.

In Gen 6:3 we read a remark. In laymans terms "My spirit will not be in man because he is corrupt. His days will be limited."
He says this after witnesses Angels (Sons of God) mixing with (daughters of man) and seeing the result. Was he talking about the Nephilim or natural man? Maybe upon using the phrase "They will (instead of shall) live to be..." meant that in the end days the years would be limited to 120? In Gen 11 we read recorded history of the lifetime of different individuals. Notice in the Bible that most recorded lifespans are referring to the timeline of Jesus. Maybe only Hebrews were living longer than Gentiles. Laws written in the past have been modified.
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Singers? How is this relative to the Salvation of Mankind. Under stand that unless you have the original ancient Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic transcripts we can only argue the possibilty that among the many scholars there was a typo.
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One version called the Wycliffe New Testament Says:
(18) And this Judas had a field of the hire of wickedness, and he was hanged, and burst apart the middle [And forsooth this wielded a field of the hire of wickedness, and he hanged, burst apart the middle], and all his entrails were shed abroad.
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Point of the matter is that he killed himself. He will never see heaven.
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Deny Divinity? He didn't deny divinity at this point. He was speaking with a young rich man who had done good all his life. He thought that just being good was enough. He spoke to Jesus calling him good Teacher, but Jesus, making a point, said that only God is good (excellent, first class, first rate). He never made himself out to be superior to God.
Matthew 26:63-64
(63)But Jesus remained silent. The high priest said to him, "I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God."
(64)"Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 8:54
Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me.
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Are you argueing that God is or is not Jesus.
Jesus is and is not God. Let me give you an example me and my wife are one. God unified us to depend on each other as 1 government of the family. In this way The Father, Son and Holy Spirit together are one deciding unit. Some call it The Trinity.

1 John 5
(7)For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Jesus says:
John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made.
God says:
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
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ALSO
- trust in God: Trust in me also
- If you hate me you hate my father also
-I am The Way, The Truth and The Life, no Man Cometh unto the Father but through Me.
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god thank another GOD. (There is only one GOD)
Jesus was sent in the flesh. He was sent as the Son Of God. The Son thanked The Father.
As Christians we are taught to pray to the Father in the name of the Son.

Jesus never says he is a god. He never says to pray to him. He is the Saviour who gives us guidance and passage to God.

GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR STUDIES

2006-06-26 12:10:45 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Is the life limited to 120 years? According to: Genesis 6:3 and Genesis 11:11??
The only thing I can tell you is that your CNS Central Nerve System could be working properly for at least 150 years, but the rest of the cells in your body depend of their ability to be replaced and that replacement is limited. If the reproduction or replacement works fine, 120 years of living is possible and it depends on what parents you have chosen. There was a woman in Paris who lived 122 years – Pasteur was the name and she died just a few years ago.
If you gave me verses that prove that divinity of Jesus, where he says: I'm a god, worship me, they would contradict those. So please answer:
I have never seen this statement, and I have been looking for it and found nothing.
How did Judas die? Was it like in Matthew 27:5 or Acts 1:18?? No I do not think so as there came some new evidence that tells something else.
The apostles must have been very rich together with Jesus as they had some sort of bank man among them, to take care of all the money and their expenses. Judas was in matter of fact a trustworthy person otherwise he had not become the banker among them. He did not commit suicide, because the new manuscripts which have been found tell an other story.

2006-06-26 16:51:15 · answer #2 · answered by Realname: Robert Siikiniemi 4 · 0 0

1) I can't say for sure that the number of years man is limited to is 120 (i can't read the original texts, so that number might be a mistranslation) but what is meant by that passage is man was living too long. Just before that in Genesis 5 it talks of Lamech, Noah's father, living to be 777 years old, and Noah himself becoming a father at 500. I'm inclined to believe 120 is not the right translation because in Genesis 11, after the passage you mention it says several men lived to be over 200.

2) These numbers again might be a translation error, or, because 2 different people wrote the books, maybe just a difference in opinion, one might have rounded it out, because 45 people didn't seem like that many more, and maybe one was more methodical about it, and gave an exact count.

3) I don't really have an answer for this one, other than the same as before, possibly a wrong translation. Both passages say that a field was bought with Judas' money, and later named " The Field of Blood". Let me ask my pastor, I'll get back to you...

4,5,6) Jesus denied divinity because he was not God, he was the son of God, that is the same reason he uses the word "also" and prays and thanks God. They are a part of eachother, but they are also different. His helplessness was to point out that everything can only be done with the help of God.

Jesus never flat out says "i'm a god, worship me"


Edit:

After speaking with my pastor....

1) We don't use the same calendar now as they did then, and saying 120 was just as good as saying 100, or 200, because there was a different thought process.

3) Judas died both ways. Matthew was written by Matthew, and he just wanted to get across that Judas had died by killing himself. Acts was written by Luke, who was a doctor, and much more methodical about how things happened. So yes, Judas hung himself and then fell and then his body burst open.

hope this helps...

2006-06-26 16:59:15 · answer #3 · answered by sparrow 2 · 0 0

1. Moses lived to be 120, but see here how long Aaron lived.
Numbers 33:39 Aaron was a hundred and twenty-three years old when he died on Mount Hor.

2. Ezra is not worng here, they did also have 200 singers, and an additional 45 who were probably only counted in Nehemiah's text for a certain reason, but they are both right, another text could say 300 if it existed but 300 would still contain 200 and 245

3. The common answer regarding this is that Judas after hanging himself, fell because the rope broke or his head popped off (occurs rarely with hanging) and then his body burst open when it hit the ground. Another more disgusting possibility I heard is some weird intestinal disease that can occur in a hanged person after awhile, and his body would have burst open from it.

4. He is not denying He is good, he is inferring to the young man that He must be God if the man is correct, he never actually says to not call Him good. He is simply asking the man.

5. Remeber that in the period of Jesus the term God, was another way of referring to the Creator or in other words one could say the term God in the New Testament is the same as God the Father. Jesus is typically referred to as Lord but there is really no difference between Lord and God. In the old testament God is typically referred to as LORD (Yahweh or Jehovah) and Jesus is the angel of the LORD (manifestation of God) like in the burning bush.

John 20:28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"


6. Jesus is giving the Father the glory of which he deserves. Remember that even though they are 3 persons, one God, Jesus role is to do the will of the Father and the Spirit's role is to do the will of the Son and the Fathe, it is impossible for us to know why each person has taken on these various roles. Jesus specifically is Judge(see John 5:16-30)

From Explanation portion of Luther's Small Catechism

How do you know that Jesus Christ is true God?
Because the Scriptures clearly call Him God, teaching the following:

Jesus has divine names.
John 20:28 Thomas said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
Rom. 9:5 From them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised!
1 John 5:20 He is the true God and eternal life.
Note: These names are not mere honorary titles but tell exactly who Jesus is, and they can be true only of God.

B. Jesus possesses divine attributes (qualities or characteristics). He is

1.eternal (without beginning and without end);
John 1:1-2. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
2.unchangeable;
Heb. 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and to day and forever.
3.almighty (omnipotent);
Matt. 28:18 All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
4. all-knowing (omniscient);
John 21:17 Lord, You know all things.
5. present everywhere (omnipresent).
Matt. 28:20 Surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

Bible narratives: Miraculous catch of fish (Luke 5:4-6; John 21:6). Jesus knows the name and character of Nathanael (John 1:48). Jesus and the woman at Jacob's well (John 4:17-18).
Note: See also Matt. 21:1-7; 26:20-25; Luke 18:31-33; 22:8-13.

C. Jesus does divine works (which only God can do).

1. He forgives.
Matt. 9:6 The Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.
2. He created.
John 1:3 Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made.
3. He will judge.
John 5:27 [The Father] has given Him authority to judge.
4. He preserves.
Heb. 1:3 [He sustains] all things by His powerful word.

Bible narratives: At the wedding feast in Cana, Jesus revealed His glory by turning water into wine (John 2:1-11). He rebuked the storm (Luke 8:22-25). He healed the paralytic (Matt. 9:1-8). He called Lazarus back to life (John 11:38-44). He rose from the dead (Matt. 28:6-7).

D. Jesus receives divine honor and glory.

John 5:22-23 The Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent Him.

Heb. 1:6 Let all God's angels worship Him.
Note: See Phil. 2:10; Rev. 5:12-13.

If you believe Jesus is all these things but is merely the Son of God and not God then that would make you a polytheist (like the Jehovah's Witness). Because you consider him either a lesser god or a demigod.

2006-06-26 16:55:20 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

These are answers that I am getting from the "Life Application Study Bible"

1. 120 years has been interpreted to mean the span of time that God gave the people of Noah's time to repent of their sins before they would be annihilated by the flood. Then in Gen 6:8 it says, "But Noah found favor with the Lord." Shem is a descendant of Noah. Noah himself lived to be 950 years old.

2. can't answer that one for you the discrepancy is there.

3. "The Traditional explanation is that when Judas hanged himself, the rope or branch broke, Judas fell and his body burst open."

4. When Jesus posed the question "Why do you call me good? Only God is good" He was asking if the man knew that He was God and if the man knew he was correct in calling Him good.

5. It's because they are the same and different. Jesus is speaking to his disciples who were Jews and trusted in God the Father. Jesus is asking them to trust in God the Son (different). God the Son is the intercessor for our sins to God the Father. Then in verse 7 he says "If you had known who I am then you would have known who my Father is." (Although he is God the Son, he is still God, so same.) The Holy Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) are one God.

Jesus is sometime referred to in the bible as The Word. "In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was God." John 1:1 "So the Word became human and lived among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the only Son of the Father." John 1:14.

6. Would a god thank another god? Jesus thanked God on many occasions even for the little things like daily bread. Would a god pray? Well at the time that Jesus is saying these things he is in human form isn't he? Prayer is the way that humans talk to God. He is the author of the Lord's Prayer.

John 5:19 - 21"I assure you, the Son can do nothing by himself. He does only what he see the Father doing. Whatever the Father does, the Son also does......... He wil even raise from the dead anyone he wants to , just as the Father does." This doesn't sound helpless to me. John 5: 26 "The Father has life in himself and has granted his Son to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to judge all mankind because he is the Son of Man."


I sincerely hope that this helps you.

2006-06-26 17:53:26 · answer #5 · answered by Christy 4 · 0 0

1. Well, if you notice, at that point the life longevity of mankind began to decrease. Another idea is that it was 120 years until the flood.

2. Possibly there could have been additional unofficial singers.

3. He probably bought the field, hung himself at the field, on a tree, the rope broke, he fell and ruptured his belly. And that's NOT just Mormon ideology, either.

4. Here Jesus is basically telling the man asking the question, "Stop beating around the bush. I'm God, just say it. Only God is truly good, and you are calling me good.".

5. Because God is a one-in-three-three-in-one God. It's like
1 x1 x 1 = 1.

6. See answer to number 5.

2006-06-26 16:42:07 · answer #6 · answered by eefen 4 · 0 0

It was 120 before the flood... not the life span of man thereafter

Numeric errors DO happen when man translates.

Judas hung himself, then the branch broke? (never says it cant happen both ways, since it doesnt say he jumped)

Jesus was crucified for claiming to be equal to God. If He did not correct that statement if He was not equal, He would have been a liar.

You have to understand how the trinity works for any of this to make sense... start by understanding YOU are also a trinity: body, mind and spirit... and go on from there... also Jesus WAS made lower than angels to live here among us.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word WAS God... vs 14: And the Word became Flesh and made His dwelling among us.

2006-06-26 16:26:51 · answer #7 · answered by impossble_dream 6 · 0 0

here i'll try to answer some! ^-^

1- uhm, i don't think so, alot of people in the bible lived like, 700 years! its probabli just an apporoxamatin of an average human life.
4- he didn't deny divinity, in mark 10 17-18 he was referring to him as a teacher.
5- jesus, god, and holy spirit are the trinity, one being,its very hard for us as humans to understand
6- jesus is god's son, he is the son, god is father
jesus was with god ever since the beginning,genisis 1:26
" let _US_ make man in _OUR_ image..."

jesus is a god,
he didn't FOrce us to worship him
he loves us too much to control us.

i think god deserves praise and worship!
you know, hes totally pure and perfect
and kinda created us and every single thing in the world/ heavens
and died for us
because we sinned
etc.

we should have faith everything in the bible is true
and should stop trying to prove people wrong
trying to prove everything wrong

and we should stop focusing on the TINy unimportant details
we cant comprehend or misunderstand
and concentrate

that god loves us Sooo much
and yet we are horrible sinners
who murder
and steal
and are greedy etc.
god STILL loves us
he'll love a KKK
he'll love a murderer
he'll love a lady who drowned her 5 children
he'll love a 40 fat guy who lives with his parents

and came to earth
"watch him speak our language,
sleep on our earth,
and feel our hurts."
and to DIE on the cross
so we didn't HavE to go to an eternity of pain and suffering
that we so rightously deserve.

so we could be with him, our father
who wants to be with us
and live forever in heaven
a paradise
after this evil world
so corrupt ,
has passed by.

so when he does say " i am god, worship me"
I will worship him,
because he loves me and will never forsake me like others
because he forgives me with no "3 stikes your out rule"
and because he saved me and died for me.
i will Happily worship him!


so can you please not look at things that don't matter
and stop trying to prove things wrong?

^-^

2006-06-26 17:15:51 · answer #8 · answered by rachie 1 · 0 0

1. I would say not necessarily...we don't know how or to whom God was speaking.
2.Does it really matter??
3. This is the Joseph Smith Translation "...and hanged himself on a tree. And straightway he fell down, and his bowles gushed out, and he died."
4. I'm not sure what your question is...Basically he is asking what to do to gain eternal life - read through verses 25-28 and it should be pretty clear.
5. Because God (the Father) and Christ are two different persons.
6. He is thanking his Father. They are two different people, one is purpose...Christ has always said Glory be to the Father.

2006-06-26 16:40:34 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

I would like to point something out to you. Your questions read as if Jesus wrote the Bible himself. Of course , you know that he did not. Like in Question #5- why did Jesus use the word Also? The person who wrote the book used that word. Just remember that. People take the Bible way to literal. I am a believer that Jesus is the Son of God. He is my savior because of the way he lived his life. Teaching the Word of God.

2006-06-26 16:31:02 · answer #10 · answered by LoveMyLife 4 · 0 0

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