Yet many Christians are nearly insane about protecting family values.
2006-06-21 01:31:12 · 12 answers · asked by Dustin Lochart 6 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Arewetheryet: The word despise and the word hate mean the same thing...
In the ancient Hebrew culture when families traveled around, they always took the entire family... often the extended family
I appreciate your answer, however, I have to think you just don't know the answer.
Thank you for your input.
2006-06-21 01:46:03 · update #1
ilovejesus247: No, the Bible says he said you must hate your family to be his disciple....
Thank you for your input, though.
2006-06-21 01:47:38 · update #2
red-dog-luke: Interesting opinion. However, no matter how you look at that scripture, Jesus said unless you hate your family, you can't be his follower. I think he was smart enough that if he wanted to say that "if you love the family more than him" he could have said exactly that.
So, your explanation is that he was saying something he didn't mean just to make a point? I'm sorry, but I think He was smarter than that. To each his own, though. Thanks for the input.
2006-06-21 01:57:09 · update #3
Vayu W: Just so I understand your answer, you claim that to Jesus, hate and love meant the same thing? Or is it that to him, love means hate and hate means love? I appreciate your input, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Like I said before, I think Jesus was smart enough to have said exactly what he meant. I doubt he would have required that sort of language manipulation for us to understand what he was saying. The scripture is pretty clear.
2006-06-21 03:29:28 · update #4
Ok. I think I get it now.
He didn't really mean hate. Either he was overstating his lesson to make a point or for some reason or another, the people who translated it translated it wrong... or he accidentally said the exact opposite of what he meant.
You people can sure come up with some great explanations for why the Bible doesn't say what it actually says when it's YOUR lifestyle in question.
Thank you all for your answers. They have all been quite helpful.
2006-06-22 05:53:03 · update #5
This is one of the great teachings of Jesus.
If the word is not hate, it would have had to be just as strong due to the fact that one of our biggest obstacle to our spiritual freedom are exactly the ties and transgenerational heritage that binds us away from understanding the nature of Christ.
It is all about freedom and is one of the major teaching that created a Chasm between the Jews at the time...
It is not about Good and Bad nor a perspective to neglect Love yet binding love, love that is attached, love that is barthered with social behaviors that we must adhere to in order to emancipate and live the Christic message is simply not Love.
However again, the word hate must have been used due to it's power and to convey clearly the message.... Yet it might be worth contemplating it in terms of Freedom from bondage Freedom to Love and Love out of Freedom.
Hate as define now in dictionnaries, can only take us away from facing who we are and gives credence to that which we actually want to leave. In other word, Hate (defined in our current language) and Attachement (family binding ties called Love) are the same. A strong message of detachement and seperation and becoming Free should, in my view, be part of the meanings that Accompany your biblical version of the word Hate.
When we live in Freedom with Love, than we as a human being contribute to humanity and create a space of innovation... Our UNTIED family will benefit a lot more than attached ties.
Hope it was useful !
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Ty,
I just read you comments. I don't know what you mean by adapting the scriptures to my lifestyle but that is not for me to find out right now... To beleive that there is no nuances in the writing would make it somewhat an incoherent book. It is not a how to do manual for me as much as a scripture which can lead me to unfold and understand myself.
The point you brought out is one of the most interesting teaching of Jesus Christ. According to me, it is the one that demand deeply personal reflections and certainly not a doctrinal anlge to it as most teachers that interpret this teaching are in contradiction with themselves.
I took the context, the translation realities, the timing and the situation into accound before laying down the comment.
2006-06-21 03:10:05 · answer #1 · answered by Vayu W 4 · 2⤊ 1⤋
He didn't say hate, he said despise, which meant they'd have to leave their families in order to follow Him.
Can you imagine the complications of having not only the 12 disciples, but their wives, kids and in-laws all traveling with Jesus while He tried to save the lost? It'd be a circus.
2006-06-21 08:35:19 · answer #2 · answered by arewethereyet 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Because he is selfish. Plain and simple. I will not turn on my family for god, or anyone else. It is a cruel god that asks such things. People talk about a loving and mercy fill god. That would mean you have to completely ignore the first half of the bible. There is some new age wimpy stuff in the new testiment, but most of the bible is about killing your enemys and being evil. God was the one who hardened Pharohs heart, when Pharoh was willing to let his people go. What a jerk.
2006-06-21 10:23:29 · answer #3 · answered by Arcturus R 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Jesus (PBUH) never said that. The Bible is corrupted from the original Injil. The Bible even says that Paul is the worst person on Earth (the "formost" of all sinners). I don't know why some people are so stupid.
2006-06-21 09:03:24 · answer #4 · answered by nick ramsey 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You do not understand the scriptures.
Luke 14:26-30 (NKJV)
"If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. [27] And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. [28] For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it-- [29] lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, [30] saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish.'
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Jesus was talking about being one of His disciples. He was saying that if you love your sinful family more than HIM, you are not worthy of following HIM. If you love your husband more than Christ...you aren't worthy.
Following Christ must come FIRST before my wants, my husband, my children.
Jesus was telling people that the road of following HIM would be hard and that we need to think it through.
2006-06-21 08:49:42 · answer #5 · answered by Red-dog-luke 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Aahh! the bible and its mistranslations. Its kinda funny!
TRUTH - Jesus never said that, ita is a complete MISTRANSLATION!
TRUTH - Jesus said ' ...You will be hated by your family if you follow me..'.
Why would Jesus preach Torah and tell people to abide by the Law then turn his back and tell his discipels to hate/despise their Family? It makes no sense!!!
I don't know what those that translated the bible tried to attempt!
2006-06-21 09:08:14 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Wow, talk about a total desire to be the center of attention. Unless you like me more than him, get lost! And this is the guy everyone is supposed to live their life after? No wonder we have so many self-centered people in the world.
2006-06-21 08:58:01 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
He never said hate....your not supposed hate anyone! "love thy neighbor"(that applys to everyone) .But it means that if you are going to follow him....you must do it completely...be willing to give up everything! You cant follow him with one foot in the world...you cant sit on the fence! Its all or nothing baby! Which makes a lot of sense to me!
2006-06-21 08:41:51 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
What does Jesus mean? Jesus is not here saying that his followers should literally hate their relatives. Rather, they must hate them in the sense of loving them less than they love him. Jesus’ forefather Jacob is said to have “hated” Leah and loved Rachel, which meant that Leah was loved less than her sister Rachel.
Consider, too, that Jesus said a disciple should hate “even his own soul,” or life. Again what Jesus means is that a true disciple must love Him even more than he loves his own life. Jesus is thus emphasizing that becoming his disciple is a serious responsibility. It is not something to be undertaken without careful consideration.
Hardship and persecution are involved in being Jesus’ disciple, as he goes on to indicate: “Whoever is not carrying his torture stake and coming after me cannot be my disciple.” Thus, a true disciple must be willing to undergo the same burden of reproach that Jesus endured, even including, if necessary, dying at the hands of God’s enemies, which Jesus is soon to do.
Being a disciple of Christ, therefore, is a matter that the crowds following him need to analyze very carefully. Jesus emphasizes this fact by means of an illustration. “For example,” he says, “who of you that wants to build a tower does not first sit down and calculate the expense, to see if he has enough to complete it? Otherwise, he might lay its foundation but not be able to finish it, and all the onlookers might start to ridicule him, saying, ‘This man started to build but was not able to finish.’”
So Jesus is illustrating to the crowds who are following him that before becoming his disciples, they should be firmly decided that they can fulfill what is involved, even as a man who wants to build a tower makes sure before he begins that he has the resources to complete it. Providing another illustration, Jesus continues:
“Or what king, marching to meet another king in war, does not first sit down and take counsel whether he is able with ten thousand troops to cope with the one that comes against him with twenty thousand? If, in fact, he cannot do so, then while that one is yet far away he sends out a body of ambassadors and sues for peace.” (Luke 14:25-35; Matthew 5:13.)
Jesus obviously did not mean that his followers should literally hate their family members, since he commanded people to love even their enemies. (Matthew 5:44) Rather, Jesus here meant that his followers must love family members less than they love God. (Compare Matthew 6:24.) In keeping with that understanding, the Bible says that Jacob “hated” Leah and loved Rachel, which meant that he did not love Leah as much as he loved her sister, Rachel. (Genesis 29:30-32) Even our own “soul,” or life, Jesus said, should be hated, or loved less, than Jehovah.
2006-06-21 10:59:48 · answer #9 · answered by Jeremy Callahan 4 · 0⤊ 1⤋
hey little son, before you read the bible, pray and ask for guidance first . then contemplate with all your heart. there , GOD will reveal to you what it really means. dont take every word literally...
have you seen my false teeth son? those darn atheists took it and gave it to spock as a medallion or some sort of talisman.
2006-06-21 08:59:05 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋