Californians: Senate Bill 160.....who supports this?

Question

http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0151-0200/sb_160_cfa_20060616_152756_asm_comm.html

Senate bill 160 wants to allow financial aid for non-resident students. Please note that the term "non-resident" includes illegal aliens.

FISCAL EFFECT : According to the Senate Appropriations Committee, the annual cost is estimated to be $2.1 million at CSU to serve an estimated 1,080 students, and $1.1 million at UC to serve an estimated 540 students.

Therefore, approximately $3.2 million per year to help about 1620 illegal alien students go to California universities.

Do you support this?

James F .... Your link is regarding Assembly Bill 540.

This is regarding UC's and CSU's.

Answer 1

Your interpretation is completely incorrect. ONLY non-residents who are waived the non-resident tuition because they graduated from a CA high school and went to a CA high school for at least 3 years would be eligibile. In order to qualify for this, you must be a citizen, a legal resident, or have applied for legal residence.

Edit: The law you're talking about, as it says right at the beginning, only applies to people who qualify for resident tuition under AB540... read the law before you comment on it.

Edit 2 to DAR: If you look at AB540 itself, to qualify under it, you must at least have applied for lawful status.

Edit 3: As for the annual costs, not all the people who qualify would be illegal aliens. Many (if not most) would be citizens and permanent residents, while the rest would have their legal status pending.

Answer 2

Senate Bill 160

Answer 3

Not hardly. The Democrats make a big deal about the 'magnet' for illegal aliens being employment. However, how many of us relocate or make sacrifices for our children's education? This is a HUGE magnet.

My kids will never get any state aid beyond in state tuition, not because we are rich at all but because we don't meet the definition of 'poor' and they are white males. Since admission policies and other funding opportunities typically favor the poor, giving this benefit not only subsidizes college for illegals as we already subsidized their earlier education, it restricts the seats left for children of citizens.

Frankly, I think finding a way to legalize qualified people here (not citizenship and with no additional 'family reunification' benefits to draw in others) would be better than a perpetual slave labor program designed to drive down wages. So in my mind if the border were secure today, interior enforcement was routine and sufficient, employers had access to functioning databases making employment sanctions enforceable, we could give amnesty and legalization to screened illegals. They will eventually assimilate, have already started (I hope) learning English, and move on. The new guest workers to flood labor and keep wages down would not speak English, would have the impact on schools that fresh immigrants have, etc., in perpetuity. I am opposed to that unless employers create old fashioned company towns to educate and provide health care for their workers so that our children aren't paying the price.

However, in my mind any amnesty would be dependant on first eradicating the magnet of illegal immigrant benefits such as this one and the one in legislature right now regarding expanding health care.

I am against those programs since they combine with our broken border to get us into the situation we are in now.

ACHNAP we have plenty of bright kids who are citizens who could take those spaces if given in state tuition, and could benefit the country. Our own citizens deserve the education we provide, first. The UC system is full with many more citizens applying each year than it can take. Why should illegals get preference?

JAMES F: SB 160 says "There are two groups of students who have attended and graduated from California high schools and therefore qualify under AB 540 (Firebaugh). There are those who do not have legal immigration status and thus cannot establish state residency and those who are US citizens or permanent residents but are residents of another state. Both groups receive equal treatment under the provisions of this bill."

It DOES apply to illegals.

Answer 4

Uh, wake up to the fact that this will not stop illegal immigration or non-residents from coming here, or from trying to attain an education. Many non-residents (aliens, greencard holders and those on visa) already get financial aid. If these people are here trying to make a better life for themselves, why wouldnt you want them to be educated so that they can be more productive individuals in the society that we all share, instead of just waiting for a handout from the government in the form of welfare or food stamps because they have no upward mobility? The logic for wanting to punish and keep people back is incredible...were all here so lets make the best of it and live the best we can. Let everyone contribute to helping their fellow citizens, legal or not. Let the non-residents have the opportunity to help themselves.

Answer 5

I think that to give a free ride to illegals is a mistake. I would rather see these Non resident students have to apply for citizenship before being eligible for state money to go to school. If they want to live in the U.S. and enjoy the benefits then they A. have to work at becoming a citizen and B. get a job and pay some taxes.

Answer 6

Why do you think colleges require residence of at leat 12 months in the state, for a reduce tuition?
Well because from elementary thur college, the instituions are mostly funded by state dollars.
Where these state dollars come from, state tax, exercise tax, energy tax, surgage tax.
When you buy food, 7.75 % at leat in my district goes to the state,
if you smoke cigarettes $ 8.70 of every carton goes to the state
if you smoke cigars 46.76 % to the the state,
if you buy gas about .30 of every gallon goes to the state,
cable, telephone, cellular phone just name a service and a product and every one of them carry state taxes.
Saying all that, the revenue of the state goes to education, health, laws enforcement, grants and some other programs that I can't recall, so the resident legal or not, paid for those services.
To all the people that complain that illegal don't paid taxes, they are just wrong.
They paid their share of the taxes used for educations.
Only small business have a bigger share in taxes,
Big business knows the way to deduct everything, and end up paying less taxes.

Answer 7

For the illegals, definitely wrong. The only reason they are going to start accepting illegals into society is because they don't know how to get rid of them. If we give them benefits (that only citizens should have) they will stay. However, we need to take action, and NOT accept them into colleges, and NOT give them equal rights to citizens. Although now it seems as if they are giving them MORE rights than the citizens have.

Answer 8

No I do not!!!
Why does our govt.want them to run our country. Why give criminals a free education and our children will become the new poor class run by these criminals with degrees.The illegals which are criminals are getting a free ride in this country that they are calling the new mexico.believe me they are I hear it all the time where I live with the illegals buying up the land and chasing us out.yes we are selling also.tired of losing sleep because of the loud extremely loud parties that they give and get paid for.yes they are getting paid for our misery and chasing us out of our own homes .

Answer 9

I'm not from California, but TO HELL WITH THAT!!!! NO MORE TAX MONEY TO SUPPORT FLIPPIN' MEXICO! PERIOD! Don't do it in stupid California, or anywhere else, because that sets a national precedent, and our president is really failing to grab THIS bull by the horns...so it's left to the american voters, what decision-making power is still CEDED to the american voter, that is....Mexico needs to clean up its' act. You don't get that to happen by letting people run free into the United States, instead you get welfare colonies, and foreign radicals running around on our college campuses preaching their garbage. I have to give credit to the more outspoken conservatives out there, they've got a good call on this one. Mexico needs to go home, and the only way you're going to get it to happen is to 'sour the milk', by making it a LOT harder to get all that social benefit garbage.
California may have a big economy, but part of that is a product of them ALSO being one of the biggest drains on the national tax system. I wouldn't move to California on a bet. It's only a matter of time before the place tanks completely. Want to know why?
Because if a kid can't make it through high school, no free ride in the world other than printing up a fake college diploma for him on your home PC is going to get him successfully out the other side with a mortarboard on his head. Speaking OF computers, it's time to start implementing them as serious learning tools instead of just home video game consoles. If people want to learn, that's fine, there's lots of online resources, but NOT at taxpayer expense for a free ride at college, nosir! Pinch that one off before it metastasizes into something of herculean and therefore unmanageable proportion. If you support the advancement of mexicans and hispanics, treat the problem at the source by barraging Mexico with letters and phone calls until they see fit to punch up the number of schools and universities they've got nationwide. It's not america's job to 'raise' mexico, they're grown-ups, they've got money, time to cut em loose and have em be independent. Time to do the same for a lot of people in America, too. No more free rides, no more nanny-stat-ism. Sorry if I sound like Michael Savage there, but sometimes the truth is better said in blunt and open fashion....

Answer 10

We need to constantly publish the names of people who betray America. Giving our tax dollars to send illegals to college is just one of many, many give-away programs for the invaders.

And we have so many of our own, Indian, black, white, who need assistance. The money to help our own has been used up by the illegals.

It's time to yell and scream at the idiots who are pandering to Mexico.