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There's alotta text that christians used that , supposedly, indicate that Jesus is God. There's also those that indicate that Jesus is inferior to God thus not equal to God.

Since when does it mean that since Jesus was Born of the Holy spirit that he automatically qualify to be God?

2006-06-20 02:51:13 · 11 answers · asked by klora 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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John 1:1 makes it pretty clear that Jesus is to be understood as being God. (i.e. "Word" is referring to Jesus, see John 1:14)

The Council of Nicea was only really confirming was already the church's stance on what the Bible says about Jesus. The Council was convened to refute what some other people claimed about Jesus that was not consistent with the Bible. I.e. nothing new came from the Council of Nicea - more a distillation rather a declaration.

What Jesus says about himself:
John 8:58 shows Jesus declaring "I am!", which is another way of saying "I am God." This is because "I AM" is the name that God gives himself in the Old Testament (Exodus 3:14). The Jews were well aware of what saying "I am" in such a manner meant, which is why straight after that attempt to stone him (i.e. for blasphemy).

Again, in John 10:30, Jesus claims that he "and the Father (i.e. God) are one". Again, the Jews prepare to stone him, explicitly for blasphemy, that a mere man claims to be God (John 10:33)

John 14:9 Jesus says: "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father."

More explicity about the Son of God = God
In Matthew 26:65 - Jesus is asked if he is the Son of God. He says he is, and is therefore accused of blasphemy, i.e. claiming to be God.

Jesus actions are consistent with divinity:
Jesus' forgiveness of the sins of the paralytic man and the subsequent healing of the man, was to demonstrate Jesus power and authority, not only to heal, but also to forgive sins. Only God can forgive sins. (Luke 5:17-26)

What Paul says about Jesus' divinity:
Colossians 1:15 "He is the image of the invisible God..."
2:9 - "For in Christ, the fullness of the deity lives..."

Hope this helps. If anything, at least it shows that the Council of Nicea weren't coming up with any original material, they just ripped it off the New Testament.

2006-06-20 03:16:44 · answer #1 · answered by beejay 5 · 3 0

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. ALL things were made by him and without him nothing was made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. (10) He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. (14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.

(The key to all this is the word "flesh" i.e. a human being.)

1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..."

Collosians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the first born of every creature: (remember the flesh)
For by him were all things created...

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the God head bodily. (all that God is is in the body of Christ, still remember the flesh)

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born (the flesh again) unto us a son is given: and the government will be upon his shoulder and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself. (how was God in Christ, in that flesh)

John 10:30 I and my Father are ONE. (Not separate, the SAME)

John 14:8 ...Lord shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Have I been with you so long that you do not know ME Phillip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER. and how can you say, show us the Father? Believe you not that I am in the Father and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you, I speak not for myself; BUT THE FATHER DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOES THE WORKS. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father in me; or else believe me for the very works sake.

(If you cannot see that it was the Father God IN the body of Christ that did all the miracles, then you are truly dense indeed.)

Other scriptures that prove that Jesus was the Father in the flesh.

1 John says that the Father was manifested to take away our sins, yet we know that it was Christ who was manifested in the world to take away sin, John 1:29-31.

Jesus promised to ans er prayer,John 14:14, yet he said that the Father would answer prayer, John 16:23.

The only way that you can comprehend how Jesus can be both God and Man is to understand the duel nature of Christ. He was born an average human being with a human mother. His Father was the very creator of the universe and as we have seen, dwelt IN the body of Jesus. Jesus the man was the vehicle that would be the sacrifice for all mankind. The Spirit IN him, was the creator of all things. Some times Jesus spoke as a regular man "the Son of Man" and other times he spoke as the "Son of God".

If there was not a duel nature, then the following would not make sence.

Jesus was born a baby, Luke 2:7, but as God he existed from all eternity, Micah 5:2, John 1:1-2

Grew up mentally, physically, spiritually, socially, Luke 2:52, but as God never changes, Hebrews 13:8

Was as a man tempted by the devil, Luke 4:2, as God cast out devils, Matthew 12:28

As a man prayed, Luke 22:41, as God answered prayer, John 14:14

As a man had no power, John 5:30, as God had all power, Matthew 28:18,Colossians 2:10

There are many, many more but space is of the essence.
I hope at least you can see now that there is a slight possibility that Jesus could be the One God of the bible in the flesh.

By the way, when we get to heaven there is only ONE throne and Jesus is the only God you will ever see who sits on that ONE throne. Hope all this has helped.

2006-06-20 10:47:02 · answer #2 · answered by plowmscat 4 · 0 0

John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word the Word was with God and the Word was God the "Word" mentioned here is Jesus

Isaiah something i forget reference but Isaiah refers to Jesus as Emmanuel which is translated GOD come in the flesh which means that God is Jesus Jesus is GOD and Holy Spirit is also God they are tree beings BUT ONE BODY

2006-06-20 09:56:32 · answer #3 · answered by CBE 1 · 0 0

Many Christians believe in the "holy trinity"--
Here-- God is a single being existing simultaneously as three distinct persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

2006-06-20 09:55:24 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

To have children is a characteristic of animals. God does not need us, in His creation He only says 'Be' and 'It Is.' Many were the prophets before Jesus, but this exaggerated idea from a Jewish man named Saul (later St. Paul) who himself killed hundreds of thousands of Christians came from the Zeus son of Apollo relationship. He destroyed Christianity from within seeing that he no longer could fight them directly. Adam was made of the same spirit plus he did not have a mother. Begotten means a sexual relationship, and God is above these things you attribute to Him. In the Bible Jesus says after his second coming when 'Christians' will flock to him, he will turn his face and say, 'you are not of me.'

2006-06-20 10:05:08 · answer #5 · answered by Ismael B 3 · 0 0

Ever since the persons started giving false publicity to glorify Jesus after 100 years of his death. He did not die on the cross as publicised. There are many researched findings by Christian themselves that what was told in the name of Jesus were unfounded and misleading.

2006-06-20 09:57:55 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Since 325 AD. It is called the Council of Nicea.

"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty
Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible:
And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds;
God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God;
begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father,
by Whom all things were made"

2006-06-20 09:54:56 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Jesus is God

John 1:1
In the beginning was the WORD, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God.

John 1:10
He was in the World, and the world was (made by him) and the world knew him not.

John 8:24
I said, therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

John 8: 58-59
Jesus said unto them, Verily, Verily, I say unto you, Before Abrham was I am.

2006-06-20 10:46:54 · answer #8 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

You can get your answers out of the Bible. Best place to look.

2006-06-20 09:57:47 · answer #9 · answered by Kitten 5 · 0 0

"Jesus", of "Jesus Christ", was notably "born under the law" and "of woman". "Christ", of "Jesus Christ", is notably "the end of the law" (or the end of Jesus, or the end of the child of child/man), and the end of transgression, which the woman was in, being deceived.

Jesus: born under the law, and of woman
(ye are NOT under the law, but under grace)
Christ: the end of the law, and of transgression
(where no law, there is no transgression)

Hence, "peace with God", and "eternal salvation", are notably "THROUGH Jesus->Christ", as if through law (through the valley of the "shadow" of death) to grace (eternal life thereof), and as if through sacrifice to mercy, and as if through division to peace. Which is to say through child to man, and also through the perfect man Christ to God(the God of all grace), Who makes you perfect after ye(do err) suffer awhile.

"Jesus": "division" and not peace: Mt 10:34; Lk 12:51
(mark and avoid them which cause "division": Rom 16:17)
"Christ": "peace" and not division: Jn 14:27; Eph 2:14
(he is our "peace", who hath abolished the law)

Hence "Christ" is the "Son of God", Who is "not a man that he should lie(law)", "nor the Son of Man that he should repent". Which things are an "allegory", and a "mystery" to solve.

Not to mention "the seed" of Abraham is "Christ"; And the "to wit": that God was in "Christ" reconciling the world unto himself(the God of all grace), notably by not law imputing their trespasses unto them; And that we are called the body of "Christ", of "Jesus Christ"; And that "Christ" is the "author" of "eternal salvation"; And that Christ is the end of the law: Rom 10:4.

It's all allegory, about law vs grace, lie vs truth, as if "comparing" (not mixing) spiritual(law) things with spiritual(grace); And notably one of two spirits we're not to believe is "antichrist": 1Jn 4, or one of twain spiritual things is anti-"the end of the law".

The "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

2006-06-20 10:34:57 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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