cruci-fiction??

Question

Matthew and Mark say that the last words of Christ were, in Hebrew, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" This has traditionally been translated as, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" However, a more accurate translation would be, "My El, My El, why has thou forsaken me?" El is the name of a specific pagan god. Why would Jesus call out to a pagan god at the moment of his death?
If it was foretold that Jesus was to be crucified, and if he knew this, and if he was the son of God, why did he do everything he could to avoid being crucified? (See, for instance, Matthew 26:39).
If Judas was willing to go to Hell for humanity (see #31), didn't he make more of a sacrifice than Jesus, who spent only three hours in pain? Shouldn't you then be worshipping Judas?
If God had wanted to save us, couldn’t He have done that without sacrificing Jesus?

Answer 1

I can't answer your question, but I always wondered why Judas is seen as a bad person. From what I have found out, was that he was a patriot for his people and that the only reason that he betrayed Jesus was so that Jesus would use his power to destroy the Romans. And even if that isn't true, and Judas betrayed him for money let's say, isn't he just a speeding up destiny? If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Jesus supposed to die for our sins, and wasn't Judas just the catalyst? Perhaps the bible shouldn't be taken literally, or word for word, as it is just a book written by men.

Answer 2

Why would Jesus call out to a pagan god??? he did not.
compare that scripture to a prophetic scrip at
Psalm 22:1 My God, my God, why have you left me?. . .


at matt 26:39

Jesus is not appealing to be spared from death. Even the thought of avoiding a sacrificial death, once suggested by Peter, is repugnant to him.

Rather, he is in agony because he fears that the way he will soon die—as a despicable criminal—will bring reproach upon his Father’s name.

He now senses that in a few hours he is going to be impaled upon a stake as the worst kind of person—a blasphemer against God! This is what sorely troubles him.

When Adam sinned and was sentenced to death, his as yet unborn offspring were still in his loins and therefore died with him. The perfect man Jesus, “the last Adam,” willingly did not produce a family. (1 Corinthians 15:45)

Jesus took Adam’s sinful, dying family as his own. He gave up the right to have a family of his own.

By sacrificing his perfect human life, Jesus repurchased all mankind descended from Adam so that they could become His family, making Him their “Eternal Father.”—Isaiah 9:6, 7.

Judas was not a perfect man.

Jesus willingly died for obedient mankind.

hell is the common grave of mankind.

Answer 3

Your translation is not accurate but false. Jesus wanted to follow the will of God which he Volunteered to do! Jesus didn't avoid it because he was obedient until the end. Judas wasn't going to hell for humanity. Don't judge! God only knows judas destination. Jesus life that was given for mankind was the ultimate sacrifice! We worship the One True God! YOU WORSHIP WHAT U WANT! God is not a author of Confusion nd He will not be Mocked.

Answer 4

I am sure you have read a lot of fine philosophy and metaphysical nonsense to come up with your erudite manipulation of constructs, but just take a practical look at what you are saying.

Judas betrayed a good man and a close friend. Judas sold another human being for money.

Judas sent a man to his death out of envy, bitterness, jealousy. etc. etc. etc.

Christ's death was an affirmation of the highest good.

The quantitative analysis of the suffering that you suggest is not even relevant.

A homeless man suffers much more than a working man when it is cold outside. Does that mean that we should celebrate the homeless man for his laziness, and decry the working man for his dilligence. That doesn't even make sense. Actions are connected to their consequences. You have to look at what brought about Judas suffering. What he affirmed by his death.

The homeless man affirms laziness. He suffers because he can't rise up to the challenge of work.

The working man doesn't suffer, because he is the strong man.

Nowhere in the Bible nor in any culture except modern leftist thinking do we see encouraged the idea that the weak and immoral should recover the prize of life.

You are right. Judas suffers way more than Christ ever did. Christ was the strong man and thereby he took the prize of life.

Judas was the weak man, and therefor he takes the agony of defeat.

The homeless man is lazy, and with his laziness he earns physical suffering. The working man is dilligent, and with his work he earns phyical comfort and security.

As to your translational notes, are we to believe that you are the one true scholar. Many other scholars debate the precise translation of words ad infinitum, but you surely have lived in all cultures and known all words with absolute certainty and therefore can resolve all questions without dispute.

Very good, Yoda.

Anyway, the fundamental meaning of the next as demonstrated in the totality of the narrative doesn't hinge upon one word.

Also, the ancient man did not define his God according to specific names, but according to philosophical ideas. Those name were only a convenient reference to those ideas. You might call God many names, but as long as that meaning was true then you might call God that.

There is a verse in Isaiah that says, You will no longer call me my Master, but you shall call me My Husband.

The term used for Master is Baal. Baal was a title for God that meant my master. The Hebrew concept of God was "My Husband."

Baal is only a name, but the meaning of the term was the important thing. If you call called Baal you are not wrong because God doesn't like the letters B A and L. You are wrong because your terminology reveals that you think of God wrongly.

Even Paul did not go to the Athenians quibbling about names, but rather preaching profound concepts that they could not refute.

Does he not even use their own title, "The Unkown God," to bring them more favorably to the engagement of the God whom he preached.

Learn more wisdom, and then seek true answers.

Answer 5

Your interpretation of the last words of Jesus could still be wrong.What if he in fact said "My Brothers,My Brothers(ref. to the Essenes Brotherhood) why are you delaying?"
I am sorry but according to Hindu teachings it is said that God has his own way of doing things which we humans have much difficulty in understanding.Do you really think He wanted to avoid crucifixion?I personally hold the opinion that he was adamant on being crucified.
Again I agree that Judas had a more painful role in this divine play--similar to that of Ravana as compared to Lord Rama.
Had not Jesus been sacrified then how would the Christ have emerged ?
I think it's a matter of belief,interpretation and perception.

Answer 6

No he couldn't. He made adam and eve, they had a direct relationship with God and then fell into sin, cutting off the link.

God gave us dominion over the earth and said your seed shall inherit the earth. Therefore God could only become a seed to be able to get the link back.

jesus said "No man can get into heaven except through me" That's why he died.

Try not to take the bible out of context. Would you rather worship a guy, judas, who ended his life in misery, or a guy who ended his life in Glory.

Answer 7

I think plenty of things loose meaning when translated from the original language. Now add on to a few thousand years. Then throw in a twist of history, and a sprig of dogma, shake it all around with folklore, and mythology. Serve it on a Hollywood platter,with consecrated wine. If you drink enough you may also, like so many others, come up with your own take on the situation.
Bon Apetite
The moral of the story.....You are what you eat....

Answer 8

I've never heard of the "El" pagan theory you propose. But, my explanation is that Jesus took in ALL of humanities sin. He became SIN and that includes praying to false, pagan, Gods. Jesus did many awesome miracles, yet he decided to remain on the cross, because of his infinite love for us!!! Our sin was paid in full, all we have to do is accept Jesus as lord and savior. Jesus IS God's plan for salvation, no other way!!! Don't question God, it is a sin. God ALONE is worshipped NO one ELSE !!!

Answer 9

my god in aramayic is Not how we say it, how is 'my el' a point? and judas betrayed the Son of God with a kiss you idiot, typical atheist or whatever you are. Jesus came and died for us cause He loves us, He couldve did otherwise, but He chose God's will which is what you need to start doing ya selfish *****

Answer 10

Has never seen what the great sacrifice Jesus made. He let himself be killed (i.e. suicide) knowing he would go to heaven to spend eternity with his father. Seems like an empty symbolic jesture to me