Do you agree the American troops better do it right this time?

Question

These Latest Efforts in Baghdad/Ramadi


...better work. Can't be another "clear and then get the hell out". How can it be otherwise? There is no realistic way to occupy territory, once cleared of insurgents, as no U.S. commander will parcel out his troops to expose them unnecessarily for this FUBAR war. They CARE about their soldiers, unlike the chickenhawks in Washington who didn't think this one through before putting our soldiers up to 'the sharp end'.

In a month or so, when these 'operations' have run their course and all these hell-holes are still as dangerous as ever (or others that were quiet have fallen back into anarchy), what's Bush going to tell the American sheep then? What to show except more money spent and more hurt and dead U.S. soldiers?
No more elections to look forward to. Maybe Maliki will reshuffle his cabinet? Maybe we'll get the next Qaeda poster boy, 'dead or alive'?

Are there any sheep still out there that think this is going to get better? How? Do you really believe the Iraqis are going to do it, and not kill each other over their religious differences?
These guys aren't so unlike you Republican turds -- they are POWERFULLY stupid when it comes to their religion. They take it REAL serious. Also well armed and fiercely proud/nationalistic when it comes to foreign invaders.
Think about it sheep. How do we win? What do we win? Do you seriously believe the world is going to be a better place for this?
Doesn't matter -- it's for the oil? What is it? Before Bush the first kicked Saddam's sorry *** in the early '90s, you dumfuks probably wouldn't have been able to point Iraq out on a map. Now your kids are dying in places you never heard of before.
For what? Freedom fries?

Answer 1

Well said, and may I add "baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa."
It's for the oil. Saddam is a murderous bastard, but if all they wanted was him out, then as an ex SEAL and Nam vet told me "send in a black bag team and take him out" Wasn't what they really wanted. It was / is the oil.
Now think about this - all those HUGE SUVs rolling down the highway, the industry, the HUGE consumption of power here .... what does this give us? Dependence on foreign oil. Carter sat in the White House in a sweater in the 70s during the oil crunch and said CONSERVE- he was righ. BUT NO! We wanted to party on! In with Reagan and Big Consumption again. I sometimes wonder if the amount of fuel used by our tanks and vehicles there in Iraq doesn't almost consume as much oil as we are getting.
The war is every day looking more and more like Nam (yup the SEAL said that too) - impossible to control insurgency, waste of civilian lives, an ongoing civil war that we should NOT be caught up in, an Administration that is trying to salvage a hopeless situation, and soldiers uncertain at any given time who the hell is friend or foe. Bush had NO clue what he was getting into.Had he asked moi, even saying "we need that oil" I'd have said Mr President, the Arab world is insane now. We DO NOT need to be involved in it directly. They'll turn on us and on each other.

Answer 2

Another pile of rhetoric which I'm too tired this morning to go through in detail, but just a couple of low lights for you.

1) For the 10000th time, the USA does not use middle eastern oil.

2) Calling people "Dumfuks" just because they have a different point of view is not only against the policy of this forum, but also shows your complete lack of respect for anyone who doesnt think the same as you. It kind of devalues your argument.

3) "fiercely proud / nationalistic when it comes to foreign invaders" ......rubbish. Most of the insurgent groups are comprised of Foreign fighters on a Jihad (Zarquawi himself was a wanted Jordanian petty criminal) and as for national pride in Iraq there is no such thing. The country was invented by the British in the 1930's and is made up of several different ethnic groups who hate each other and as soon as we come home they will split into at least three seperate countries.

I cannot believe that you still devote so much passion to arguing your point on this without actually taking the time to learn about the subject.

Answer 3

When was the last attack on U.S. soil?

Where did all the Taliban sheep go?

Where is Al-Zarqawi now?

What happened to thousands of Al-Qaeda operatives?

- These are all questions I'm guessing you would have a hard time answering, or somehow you'd find a way to tell me it doesn't matter. Fact is, we've gone on the offensive. Defense wasn't the best strategy (1993 bomb attempt at WTC, 1998 U.S. embassy bombings, 2000 bomb attack on U.S.S. Cole, 9/11).

Another fact is that the casualties are nowhere near past wars. Do you sympathize with Al Qaeda? Do you sympathize with Hamas? Do you sympathize with anyone that's against the U.S.?

I'm sorry, but the content of your question is so narrow, I'm having a hard time stopping myself from answering questions you didn't ask (but should have). LOL !!

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TomG is smoking some oil conspiracy over there! There's only one problem with that lame accusation, oil prices never went down!!! Stop it Tom, your IQ is showing...

Answer 4

Look like the Washinton Post is saying that Al Qaeda in iraq is losing.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060616-122154-4649r.htm


The U.S. military in recent weeks has seized a "huge treasure" of intelligence materials on al Qaeda in Iraq, including a revealing document in which the terror group acknowledges its own "bleak situation" caused by losses on both the public relations and war fronts.
The documents seized in the weeks leading up to the June 7 killing of Abu Musab Zarqawi also have provided intelligence that has helped direct nearly 500 allied combat operations and resulted in the killings of 104 insurgents, the U.S. command in Baghdad said yesterday.
Al Qaeda's acknowledged failures and the military offensive have been so successful that Iraq's national security adviser flatly predicted that Zarqawi's group, al Qaeda in Iraq, is at "the beginning of the end."

Answer 5

Was there a question in there, or just few vicious opinions posted on a question and answer site?

It took over almost 30 years for the benefits of our involvement in Vietnam to be seen. Everything we wished to accomplish is becoming reality. It won't be perfect, but it will be part of a greater answer. It can't be the instant thing so many wish it to be.

Answer 6

I agree with you completely! I am not sure I would use that language, but you certainly made your point. I only hope some these neo-cons will read this, Most are lemmings following there little dictator!

Two of my favorite places on the net are these 2.

You would have liked this guy!

http://www.hackworth.com/article03112003z.html

http://www.hackworth.com/

Answer 7

I think if you live in USA & do not like it, consider moving to Iraq or Mexico, they would love new citizens. If you live outside USA, then shut up we do not care what you think of our Military efforts. Come to think of it, I do not care what you think no matter where you live.

Answer 8

Please, don't "BASH" our troops! They are doing what they are told to do in an enormously difficult time in the world's history.

If YOU were president, YOU would do no different than what is happening now...YOU would protect the Americans as the president is trying to do, and the NEXT president will do as well.

Answer 9

Agree on all points.