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Jehovah said: "…and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced" (Zec. 12:10). The preceding verses (1, 4, 7, 8) identify Jehovah as the one speaking. Christ is the one who was pierced, and John 19:37 clearly tells us that this prophecy was fulfilled in His crucifixion.
Jeremiah the prophet predicted that God would raise up a descendent of David who would reign and be called LORD, or Jehovah: "…this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD (Jehovah) OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Jer. 23:6). Jesus Christ was the descendent of David, who was to be called Jehovah our righteousness.
Who is Lord of the Sabbath? Christ said that He is. "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath" (Mark 2:28).

2006-06-19 14:44:15 · 12 answers · asked by Prodical Son 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Only One Can Be the First and the Last. That One Is Called Both Jesus and Jehovah!


"Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God" (Isa. 44:6)

The Redeemer is, throughout the New Testament, identified as Christ Jesus. In this Scripture He is called LORD (Jehovah). It is clear in this passage that the title "the first and the last" belongs to Jehovah the Redeemer. Look where this title is repeated!

2006-06-19 14:45:31 · update #1

Two Pairs of Passages in Revelation

God makes the identification of Christ with Jehovah even more clear and undeniable in two pairs of passages in Revelation which speak of the first and the last. Only one can be first. There can be no second first. The "last" is also exclusive.


The First Pair Is in Chapter One

The one who is coming in these verses is Jesus Christ, the one who was pierced, who is also clearly called "Jehovah God":

2006-06-19 14:47:17 · update #2

Two Pairs of Passages in Revelation

God makes the identification of Christ with Jehovah even more clear and undeniable in two pairs of passages in Revelation which speak of the first and the last. Only one can be first. There can be no second first. The "last" is also exclusive.


The First Pair Is in Chapter One

The one who is coming in these verses is Jesus Christ, the one who was pierced, who is also clearly called "Jehovah God":

"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindred of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty" (Rev. 1:7-8).

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To make it more clear that the Jesus who was pierced and is coming with the clouds is Jehovah, here is the same passage from the New World Translation:

"Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen. 'I am the Alpha and the Omega,' says Jehovah God, 'the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty'" (Rev. 1:7-8).

2006-06-19 14:48:57 · update #4

This identification becomes even more clear in the second verse of this pair where Jesus Christ, the one who died, is identified as Jehovah by calling Him the First and the Last, the exact same words which we saw used for Jehovah a few paragraphs above in the quote from Isaiah 44:6. So you can compare the verses more easily, here is that quote again, this time from the New World Translation: "This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, 'I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God'". Here is the second of the pair of verses in Revelation

2006-06-19 14:49:48 · update #5

"…I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore…" To make even more clear that Jehovah is the one who was dead and now lives, the New World Translation capitalizes "First" and "Last". Here it is: "I am the First and the Last, and the living one; and I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever…" (Rev. 1:17-18). Jehovah is called the one who died and is living which is Jesus Christ.

2006-06-19 14:50:30 · update #6

The Second Pair Is in Chapters 21-22


"And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; andI will be his God, and he shall be my son" (Rev. 21:5-7).
In this passage the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end is God, the one seated on the throne, but in the second of this pair Christ the one who is coming quickly is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.

2006-06-19 14:53:10 · update #7

"Behold, I come quickly… I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last" (Rev. 22:12, 13).

Not only are the same words used of Christ in 22:13 that were used of the one sitting on the throne in 21:5-7, but He is also called "the first and the last," again applying the description of Jehovah in Isaiah to Christ: "I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God" (Isa. 44:6).

If you are thinking, "Can I believe that this is Christ, when it is Jehovah?" Yes, you can, because as the passage continues, It says

2006-06-19 14:54:50 · update #8

"I, Jesus…" (Rev. 22:16).
The one who is "coming quickly" (22:13) is also identified:
"Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus." (Rev. 22:20).

There can not logically be two beginnings and two ends. There aren't, the Lord Jesus Christ is Jehovah, come in human flesh

2006-06-19 14:56:11 · update #9

John the Baptist Prepared the Way of Jehovah

John the Baptist explained why he was preparing the way for Jesus Christ by quoting the words of Isaiah, "Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God" (Isa. 40:3). The New World Translation of the Jehovah's Witnesses puts it, "Clear up the way of Jehovah…"

Matthew shows how John fulfilled this prophecy by preparing the way of Jesus Christ (3:3, 11-17).
i could go on but im tired hope thats enouff

2006-06-19 14:57:38 · update #10

oooooo well here is a bit more. book of Mark begins with the announcement that God was sending John the Baptist to prepare the way of Jesus Christ saying, "Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight" (Mark 1:1-3). The New World Translation: "Prepare the way of Jehovah, you people, make his roads straight…" John the Baptist, in preparing the way of Christ fulfilled this prophecy. He prepared the way of Jehovah because Jehovah is Jesus Christ come in the flesh.

2006-06-19 15:12:39 · update #11

Luke's Gospel says that at John the Baptist's birth, his father had prophesied that John would make Jehovah's ways ready: "And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways" (Luke 1:76). New World: "…you will go in advance before Jehovah to make his ways ready". John made Jehovah's ways ready by preparing the way of Christ (Luke 3:4, 16).

2006-06-19 15:13:24 · update #12

In the first chapter of John's Gospel, when people asked John, "who are you?" he answered: "I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias" (John 1:23. See Isa. 40:3). New World: "…Make the way of Jehovah straight…" Lets pick up the narrative three verses ahead, and see who it is talking about.

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John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not. He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose… The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world… I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water" (John 1:26-27, 29, 31).

2006-06-19 15:15:29 · update #14

For whom was John preparing the way? For Jehovah. That is why John was not worthy to untie His sandal, but John also called Him "Jesus" and "the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world," and said that the reason he had come was to make Him manifest to Israel. Just four verses ahead, John again identifies the Lamb of God whose way he was making straight:

"Again the next day John was standing with two of his disciples, and as he looked at Jesus walking he said: 'See, the Lamb of God!'" (John 1:35).

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God the Son existed with the Father before John was born. Then He came and was born here on earth so that we might know God. That's why He was called Immanuel, God with us (Matt. 1:23), and why John prepared the way for Jesus when he prepared the way for Jehovah (See also Php. 2:5-8).

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There Is Only One Savior: Jehovah This One Savior Is also Called Jesus


"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour" (Isa. 43:11). See also Hos. 13:4; Jude 1:25; Titus 3:4-7. The New World Translation puts it: "I-I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no Savior".


"For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord" (Luke 2:11).
Speaking of Christ, Acts 4:12 says: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (See also Titus 2:13, 2 Pet. 3:18).

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"But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel" (2 Tim. 1:10).
"For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" (2 Pet. 1:11).

If you could do enough works to save yourself, you and Christ would both be saviors, but Christ and Jehovah are one Savior

2006-06-19 15:20:49 · update #18

If you could do enough works to save yourself, you and Christ would both be saviors, but Christ and Jehovah are one Savior.


Arguments to the Contrary

To deny the divine nature of Jesus, the Watchtower shows his human nature and that he has the relationship of Son to the Father. He does, but before He took on the human nature, He already had the divine nature. "…And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14) when He, "made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men" (Php. 2:7), He already had the divine nature. He humbled Himself to take on a human nature as well when He was born of the virgin and called "God with us".

2006-06-19 15:21:31 · update #19

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Hmm. the only thing more irritating than a liberal is a JW.

2006-06-19 14:49:30 · answer #1 · answered by Dr. Bugly 4 · 1 4

Trinitarianism tends to find its justification in philosophy and semantics, rather than being easily discernable throughout the fabric of the bible (please see the second half of this answer). Unitarians sometimes remark that if trinitarians and unitarians each set aside their five best verses, the trinitarians would have nothing left.

With regard to the trinitarians' specific protestations regarding Colossians 1:15-17: Ask yourself how Jesus can be both the firstborn of creation AND the Creator. The word 'other' is unnecessary in understanding the scripture. Here is the Revised Standard Version, which does not use the word 'other':
(Colossians 1:15-17) He [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation; for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities -- all things were created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

With regard to Zechariah 12:10: Many translations such as Moffatt, An American Translation, and Revised Standard Version use "him" in place of "me", and others (including Rotherham and American Standard) include "him" in the footnote as an honest alternative to "me". Even if there were no question about whether that the scripture refers to the piercing of 'the Father', unitarians are unsurprised since the pain inflicted upon any child is also felt by the parent.

John 1:1 is an interesting argument for trinitarians, since just a few verses later we are reminded that Jesus is God's SON. Yet this one verse is probably the trinitarians' favorite scripture, although it actually demonstrates their own willingness to SELECTIVELY adhere to supposed Greek grammar. While trinitarians insist that an indefinite article is absolutely unacceptable ("the Word [Jesus] was *a* god) in John 1:1, they have absolutely no trouble translating other comparable Greek sentence structures WITH an English indefinite article (John 6:70 "*a* devil"; also John 9:17 "*a* prophet").



If the Trinity truly were the central teaching of the bible, why don't trinitarians simply list a bunch of scriptures and let people read and reason for themselves? Here are some Scriptures offered without comment !

(Colossians 1:15) the firstborn of all creation

(Mark 10:18) Jesus said to him: 'Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.

(Revelation 3:14) the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God

(Philippians 2:5-6) Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God

(John 8:42) Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth

(John 12:49) I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak

(John 14:28) I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am

(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him

(Matthew 20:23) this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father

(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God

(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.

2006-06-20 08:41:40 · answer #2 · answered by achtung_heiss 7 · 1 0

By the Way, Dr. Bugly, the person who asked this question is NOT one of Jehovah's Witnesses, even though he is attempting to use God's true name. Jehovah's Witnesses realize that Jesus is God's son, not Almighty God Jehovah himself.

Jesus was God’s first creation, and so he is called the “firstborn” Son of God. (Colossians 1:15; Revelation 3:14) Jesus is the only Son that God created by himself. Jehovah used the prehuman Jesus as his “master worker” in creating all other things in heaven and on earth. (Proverbs 8:22-31; Colossians 1:16, 17) God also used him as His chief spokesman. That is why Jesus is called “the Word.”—John 1:1-3; Revelation 19:13.

Jehovah God himself leaves no doubt about the identity of his Son. Matthew’s Gospel account relates that after Jesus was baptized, “there was a voice from the heavens that said: ‘This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.’” (Matthew 3:16, 17) Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Interestingly, the Hebrew form of “Jesus” is “Jehoshuah,” which is an abbreviated form of “Jehovah-yeshua,” meaning “Jehovah is salvation.” So there it is—the name of the Father, the Supreme Being, is JEHOVAH. And how appropriate that Jesus, as Jehovah’s agent for salvation, should thus be named after his Father!

2006-06-19 15:19:30 · answer #3 · answered by Maia-Kine' 3 · 1 0

You are right. There is no such thing,or entity as the trinity. It is not a biblical concept.
There are many different modes or manifestations that God has used through time to reveal himself to people.
John 1 lets us know, however that when God couldn't watch man struggle under the weight of sin any longer, he robed himself in flesh and came to live amongst us.

There are many scriptures to prove that Jesus of the New Testament is Jehovah of the Old Testament in human flesh. There is not a trinity of God's or any other number of God's!!

Col 2:9-10 will have to suffice for now. It plainly declares that Jesus is not a part of God. He is not a third of God. He does not find Himself in a Godhead, for he is all of God.

Col. 2:9-10

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
KJV

2006-06-19 15:12:15 · answer #4 · answered by chancey 2 · 0 0

Who did he pray to?
While he was on the earth wouldn't that be a good time for Satan to take over.
That is truly a twisting of the scriptures.
He gave us the Lord's prayer
OUr father In other words his to.
Not your father in heaven Our father.
fNot him nor the angels knew but only the father.
fIn Revelation it states I saw Jesus sitting at the right hand of God
Stephen saw Jesus sitting at the right hand of god in heaven.
Read your bible dude that's all wrong.

2006-06-19 14:51:31 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

If The Lord means Jehovah, and The Lord is Jesus Christ, then yes, I will go along with you.

2006-06-19 14:51:53 · answer #6 · answered by Brigid O' Somebody 7 · 0 1

well done. I used to be a Jw years ago and only for a few months, this is why I am not with them and am a christian

2006-06-19 14:50:18 · answer #7 · answered by Wendy 5 · 0 1

yep same person. Jesus, Jehovah, Yahshawa i didn't spell that last name right

2006-06-19 14:49:57 · answer #8 · answered by christine 3 · 0 1

wow, too much time on your hands

2006-07-03 01:40:23 · answer #9 · answered by Vprincess 5 · 0 0

I live by my faith in Him, so I dont need any proof.

2006-07-03 12:12:59 · answer #10 · answered by Carol M 5 · 0 1

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