If Jesus and God are one?

Question

Why did he say ' Father, Father, why have you forsaken me' while on the cross?

John 10:30 "I and my father are one"

Don't get your knickers in a bunch phwar, it's only a question

Answer 1

what's wrong with talking to yourself?

nothing, its perfectly normal

Answer 2

This question is a most good one. The answer falls within the mystery of the trinity, (Father, Som, Holy Spirit.) Actually all three of these are one God. Jesus said to His Father,"Father, why have you forsaken me?" while on the cross? When Jesus came to the earth to eventually be our Savior, he was in the form or likeness of a man. He suffereed just as a man would suffer. Jesus also said to His disciples that the hour of His return no man knew, Only the Father knew the timing. Jesus said, He did not even know. Again Jesus was speaking as the man Jesus and not the God incarnate Jesus. Jesus humbled himself being God but not thinking being God was something to reckon with. Instead He humbled himself to suffer in obedience the death n the cross so that whomever might believe would be saved.

Answer 3

They are one, yes. But they are also separate. But to answer this questions specifically, you have to understand the Hebrew culture of the time. In the movies, it always portrays Jesus looking up and addressing heaven. Some say that this is when Jesus absorbed all the sin of mankind and God had to look away--seeing that He cannot look upon sin. I am not saying that this is not what happened, but there is a better explanation--it is very Jewish.

Back then, they did not have multiple copies of the Tonakh. They kept one copy safely stored in an ark in the synagogue. So the students and priests, back then as well as today, would memorize the scriptures (they did this by singing it). Whenever they wanted to bring a chapter, or a Psalm to the attention of the students, they would not recite the entire chapter, they would say the first verse and the rest of the students would know the rest by memory.

When Jesus was on the cross, He employed this rabbinical device--He quoted the first verse. The Pharisees would hear this, then in their mind they would immediately do the "scripture shuffle" and find that this was the first verse of Psalm 22.They would then automatically recall the entire Psalm that would show that what was happening before them was prophetic--that Messiah had to die, be surrounded by accusing Gentiles scoffing, "he trusted in God, let Him deliver", He will have His hands and feet pierced causing His bones to come out of joint, that they would divide His garments, and at the end He will say "It is finished" (which is the Greek translation of the last verse).

So really, was alerting the Pharisees to what was happening and that all what they were seeing was planned from the foundations of the earth and that He was who He said He was--the Messiah, the subject of Psalm 22.

deltaqueen - Which Bible are YOU reading? It states it in prophecy. Jesus said it Himself. The disciples confessed it, the apostles confirmed it, and the resurrected Lamb of God made it clear as a bell in Revelation. Unless you are reading the JW's New World Transformation, it's pretty obvious.
http://schnebin.blogspot.com/2006/05/trinity.html

Shell - That is not what Colossians says.
Colossians 1:15 "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation." The word "firstborn" is a Hebrew title for the birthright of pre-eminence. Now look at the NEXT verse. Col 1:16 "For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him." compare that with John 1:3 "All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made." Now look at what Jesus says of Himself in Rev. 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
For those who do not understand, "Alpha and Omega" means without beginning and without end. Almighty is one of the titles of God Himself.

Answer 4

This really touches on the question of what the "trinity" actually is. As I understand, there really isn't such a clear answer, and it basically boils down to "they're different, but all the same god. so, they're 3 and 1."
Personally, that alone seems illogical enough.
However, regarding the line in question: my concern isn't with "god #2" addressing "god #1" as "father" (he does that alot, btw), but the simple point of why he is asking god (read: himself) anything at all?! It's basically jesus asking himself why he has forsaken himself. (?!)
(And yes, the question of how god can impregnate someone with himself is also a brainteaser. though, as I said, that is less of a concern on my list of problems with christianity.)

Anyways, I'm not a christian (b/c of this and other issues). I'm sure christians say they have answers, but the whole thing never sat well with me. personally.

If I may make a suggestion: I doubt you'll get a good answer here. (most likely is that either there won't be any good posts, or there will be so many posts that it will be impossible to sort through them all.) I suggest you find a priest (or whatever) that you respect and talk it out with him/her.
good luck.

Answer 5

The belief that Father, Son, and Spirit are one in the same is a faith widely held by millions of Catholics around the world.

The Son and the Spirit always existed, just like the Father.
"...Eternally begotten of the Father. God from God. Light from Light, True God from True God. Begotten, not made. One in being with the Father." It is part of the Nicean Creed. We say it every Sunday.

They are Three. They are One. It is a matter of Faith.

Besides, when we can't figure it out, Catholics call it a Mystery.

Answer 6

Jesus is God's son, not Almighty God Jehovah himself.

Jesus was God’s first creation, and so he is called the “firstborn” Son of God. (Colossians 1:15; Revelation 3:14) Jesus is the only Son that God created by himself. Jehovah used the prehuman Jesus as his “master worker” in creating all other things in heaven and on earth. (Proverbs 8:22-31; Colossians 1:16, 17) God also used him as His chief spokesman. That is why Jesus is called “the Word.”—John 1:1-3; Revelation 19:13.

Jehovah God himself leaves no doubt about the identity of his Son. Matthew’s Gospel account relates that after Jesus was baptized, “there was a voice from the heavens that said: ‘This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.’” (Matthew 3:16, 17) Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Answer 7

The bilbe declares that Jesus is God. God is a spirit and He wanted to sacrifice himself for our sins so he became flesh(Jesus) to die for our sins; spirits don't die. Isiah 9:6 and 1 Timothy 3:16 and St John 10:30 and 1 John 5:7

Answer 8

Jesus is one WITH the Father in that their intentions are the same. God turned His back on Jesus so to fulfill all prophecy. Jesus was sacrificed as an offering of guilt for sin. God turns His back on the sinner. Since Jesus was NOT guilty of sin, Jesus own righteousness empowered Him to rise from Hades.
Jesus said He was given the authority to lay down His life, as well to take it up again.

Answer 9

Jesus was both God Almighty AND man!
When He spoke, He either spoke as God, or as a man.
In this place, Jesus had the sins of the world placed on His shoulders, and He cried out as a man that felt this separation because of the sin.
As a man, Jesus wept, knowing full well that in a few moments later, as God, He would raise Lazarus from the dead!

Answer 10

Colossians says that Jesus was created, The father has always been here. Read the first chapter. Two different people.
The holy spirit is a power that was poured out on 120 people.

Answer 11

Because God is also Jesus' Son. Jesus was concieved by the Holy Spirit so he could become God in human form on earth