For those who want amnesty for illegal aliens answer this question............................................

Question

One of the arguments used to give amnesty to illegal aliens is, it would cost so much to track them down and deport them, therefore we have to give them amnesty.
Of all the billion and billion and billions the U.S spends on a war in Iraq, to maintain military bases around the world, on welfare, and for foreign aid to third world countries, couldn't we locate and deport every last illegal alien in the USA?
Of course the answer is yes.

yes, we could deport all illegal aliens.

Answer 1

You're right,most all the illegals could be deported,over time!! Amnesty should NEVER be given to people who FLAUNT our laws by breaking them!!! amnesty NEVER works,all it does is ENCOURAGE even MORE lawbreakers to come here!This is not even fair to those who have waited for years to come here legally!! I think,that IF there is a "guest worker" program actually NEEDED,that it SHOULD NOT automatically lead to citizenship!! The United States of America does NOT need any more citizens! And, we can not AFFORD any more poverty level,uneducated,welfare people!

Answer 2

Cost isn't the issue. We would save, over time, a lot more than we would spend. Of course, it would have been less expensive had we not let it get this far.

My concern is that if we don't give amnesty, it will be supposedly 'in return' for a guest worker program. Every guest worker proposal on the table, including Pence's is really a permanent immigration rate increase with a path to citizenship and 'chain migration' permitted through family reunification. That would be a constant, and thereby unassimilated, stream of poor, non-English speaking immigrants we would subsidize in our schools and hospitals.

The Senate bill volume of guest workers is so high people are not even arguing that numbers would be excessive if the maximum allowed came in. They are arguing that even though clearly the maximum would not realistically materialize, the amount that would come in would kill our services, and bring in indigent parents of immigrants at a time when we are concerned that safety nets and Social Security for the baby boomers will not be sufficient.

Essentially the quotas are so large that it is a 'screening only' immigration policy. It is not limited to Mexican immigrants, but would be used by the world's poor, so until our way of life didn't pay them to come here instead, it would create basically a free flow of poor immigrants.

Agriculture was trying to insist that those in the 'farm program' would be required to stay for 5 years in agriculture, because that is something not even illegals want to do at the prices agribusiness wants to pay. Apparently as construction etc has started draining off the illegals agribusiness felt rightfully belonged to them, they already have a hard time keeping workers at the much lower wages they are paying now than they paid 10 years ago.

In other words, agribusiness would draw in constant new 'bottom of the ladder' people who would go on to take better jobs Americans definitely want to do after that.

I am afraid that if we say no amnesty but yes guest worker program, we won't really deport all the people, and we will end up with both. I think Americans can't stand the media reports about honor students and Eagle Scouts who have lived most of their lives here getting deported. To the extent it ends up hitting people it turns out I know, it would be hard for me to take, too. This has nothing to do with cost.

If we did give amnesty to screened illegals, it would help dismantle the underclass that protects the nasties. We could specify that this was a 'blue card' legalization which did not give rise to family reunification 'chain immigration' privileges.

So then where would we be? We would have BOTH the guest worker program and amnesty. I think that is the worst of both worlds.

I also think big business will NEVER be interested in closing the border because illegal workers will always be cheaper. On the other hand those who want amnesty MIGHT be willing to give up the magnets to illegals (in-state tuition and health care above emergency care, etc.) IF they got the current illegals legalized. These are primarily Democrats who do have a stake in not seeing schools ruined and wages driven down.

We might be able to negotiate real border security with the pro-amnesty types, and deportation of the nasties, and dismantling of the illegal immigration magnets. The big business types on the other hand would pay a lot up front to show how earnest they are about closing the border. However it would all be in the staffing type of expense which, when removed later to cover pet projects, would leave no border protection at all.

Suddenly, immigration laws are being enforced. Why weren't they enforced over the last 6 years? I don't trust the government to keep it up while we aren't watching. I want barriers, more detention facilities, sensors, and fences at the border. Those at least would continue to help the problem as time goes on.

Answer 3

Before asking that, I would first ask why they are in the US. Visit the article in today’s NYT, http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/19/business/19illegals.html?th&emc=th and look at the graph. Most pay taxes, even if a fake SS is used. Sure you can, anything is possible, deport every illegal, and whom is going to do all that work? Las Vegas, LA, Aspen, Houston etc. are cities that would literally stop working without cooks, construction workers, maids, grounds and maintenance workers etc. So your first question should be not about deporting every one, not about amnesty but about why they do the jobs they do, how you would replace those jobs and then you could very well deport them all. Easy to just deport them, then what? The US is not the first or only developed country with illegal immigration doing the jobs no body wants. Are people and companies willing to pay double or triple to have people do those jobs by those whom refuse them today?

Answer 4

There is both a cost factor and a political factor. It's hard for a nation made up of almost ALL immigrants to just kick everyone out. We were built by immigration. Yes, some are a blight/drain on our social system( like that doesn't need an overhaul)but many are contributing members of society.
I'm not sure amnesty is the answer either. I think a safe process of citizenship is the best answer. And the folks who do not want the citizenship, can either get a work visa, or go home.

Answer 5

You have to know that granting amnesty is not an easy thing to do or to get.
Why would you turn down decent hard working good people? Would you rather have the government give out money to the poor minorities who are citizens? Some colors comes to mind. Try to have a business mind if some decent people come to your store and ask for work. Would you complain if someone offers to work for less pay and longer hours?
Amnesty is selective immigrants with a shorter waiting list.

If people ask, give them a chance. I rather have an alien who's been granted asylum/amnesty working for me than a 7 feet tall dark basketball player who slouch and falls asleep doing work and takes drugs in the bathroom. Of course, the bathroom will be dirty and drawn with graffiti. I don't like those messengers who visit the office to borrow the use of the bathroom and do not flush after a heavy DUMP.

Answer 6

The question should be, do we want to? We have all these illegal aliens because business wanted these people to come and take jobs and they convinced the government to wink and look the other way. Even today border enforcement is lax, it is mostly a show allowing many to cross freely, this is because that is the way business and government want it.
The truth is that the illegals are part of the economy, they work hard and pay taxes (since they don't file tax returns they don't get their refunds, so many pay higher taxes than legal workers), and we voluntarily made them part of the economy by allowing employers to hire them without sanction. So why should we deport them?

Answer 7

You need to be realistic...We will never decommission our overseas military bases on the scale required to make a major monetary effect, the Republicans won't allow it. We will never get rid of the welfare system, the Democrats won't allow it. As for the money spent in Iraq, all that money is borrowed and we will be paying that back for decades to come. As for foreign aid, the US feels as the most powerful country in the world that they have a responsibility to help those less fortunate (kind of like international welfare). I agree that if we could flip a switch and get the immigration issue resolved we should do it, but it is not that simple and we owe it all to the current and previous administrations, both Reps and Dems.

Answer 8

I think the current illegal immigrants should get amnesty and get they way to citizenship in no time. The current illegal immigrants should get the amnesty and all the other immigrants that crossed the border illegally after the effect day of the law should then be arrested and returned to their country. Immigrants that were caught crossing the border illegally will be enrolled on a help list that helps the immigrant get into the country legally and get citizenship to the United States.

Answer 9

Let's say :
: There is no need to track them down.
: It doesn't cost a penny to track them down.
: There is a need to track down those who hire them.


- If you give total amnesty for the illegals, the legal immigrant should also be also compensated. It take averagely eight to ten years to get a visa for permanent residency ( a lot suffering )

Who should get punish ? the legal ( apparently, they made the wrong choice unti now)

Who shoud get rewarded ? the illegal ( apparently they made the good choice )

The immediate consequence is that the legal immigrant will have to wait 20 years to get immigration benefit for their family who live aroad. We have a surplus of illegals that we do not what to do. It is a bit ironic that someone has his pocket fulled with coins and not knowing what to do while the boat is half-way to capsize.

Answer 10

I was wishy washy on this subject but I've attempted to learn more about the situation. As I do believe we should be humane to each other, the fact that they are all here, not filing taxes, having to steel identity (identity theft that we love so much in this country) is bad enough. The hospital where my husband works is cutting down on a LOT because there are too many people without insurance and can't pay. It's bad enough that the people who are tax paying residents have to go without insurance and all but now we have tons of people from Mexico who don't pay anything they are supposed to and get free medical care under the TAXES WE PAY. Shouldn't we be helping each other in the US? Plus, why did they protest here? Why didn't they protest the issues they have IN Mexico? We have too many people suffering in this country who pay taxes as it is and I think they should be helped first.