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do you know the vatican city has more wealth than most countries but refuse to use it to stop the suffering of their own church members,, strange but true

2006-06-18 22:14:50 · 15 answers · asked by Anonymous in Politics & Government Civic Participation

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thats why im athiest. to best see where the church is going i looked back into the past and hey, corruption... war... taking and keeping large amounts of money is rediculous! i cant even spell im so flustered over the huge controversy of religion ahhh.

believing in religion is the same for adults and children believing in santa. except instead of putting ur list of toys you want in the chiminy, you pray.

2006-06-18 22:18:24 · answer #1 · answered by Oh, Natey-O! 3 · 7 0

The Catholic church insists on NO condoms for anyone. Not just third world countries. There are many things to control in peoples lives but sex is a big one. They didn't make priests celibate until they decided that it was costing them too much money to support the families. We had a 12 yr old Pope for crying out loud. Like every other institution money became the god. There are still some really good people in the church who try to follow the rules of compassion and love but leaders are the same everywhere. Whether it is government or religions. God Weeps---

2006-06-19 09:41:52 · answer #2 · answered by olderandwiser 4 · 0 0

Judeo-Christian tradition has taught for thousands of years:
1. Single people should be celibate.
2. Married people should be faithful to each other (adultery is wrong).
3. Married couples should welcome God's gift of children and, therefore, artificial birth control was against the will of God.

If the world is going to ignore teachings 1 and 2, then why is the world so upset about teaching 3?

People who are already ignoring the more important teachings 1 and 2 should have no problem ignoring the less important teaching 3.

It is within the Christian (and Catholic) teaching of the lesser or two evils for an infected spouse to use a condom to protect the other spouse instead of infecting him or her with a deadly disease.

It should also be remembered that condoms are not 100% effective (read the box) and the spouse may be infected anyway.

With love in Christ.

2006-06-20 00:14:20 · answer #3 · answered by imacatholic2 7 · 0 0

The church is also against homosexual, premarital, and pedophilic sex. So, the only people who should be concerned about condoms are married people, and they are at least married to each other and not spreading disease, only raising children.

Plus, many people in third world countries try to have as many children as they can. It is the only way to ensure that at least one or two of your children survive into adulthood. So the church's attitude on condoms isn't the only issue.

In addition, many of those third world countries have corrupt governments who steal the monies that the church and other nations funnel in for education, food, and condoms. However, these rulers make out better to oppress their people and keep them poor, hungry, diseased, and uneducated.

This is NOT a problem to be blamed on the Catholic Church alone; there is plenty of culpability to go around.

2006-06-19 12:24:54 · answer #4 · answered by Goose&Tonic 6 · 0 0

Faith needs suffering... and so does government.
Without the perpetuation of poverty, war, and hatred, what place could the crutch of belief possibly have in the modern world? Ironically, it's that very crutch that keeps us emotionally crippled enough to "need" to believe.
Besides, being a proselytizing religion, Christianity wants more souls to destroy and sacrifice to a non-existent being. With that as the real priority, what does a million deaths from starvation matter?
Just as governments create wars, religions must ultimately support government, because they cannot exist separately. The USSR was not an example to the contrary, as Russian Orthodox as well as other faiths survived the revolution, and the single best known feature of Red Square is, in fact, a church!
Religion and govt work together "naturally", one to break down the human psyche, and the other to force us physically by stealing from us and imprisoning us. As long we have faith, it will grind us down and make us the willing victims of collectivists. Freedom is only possibly when we first emancipate ourselves from mental slavery...

2006-06-19 05:47:26 · answer #5 · answered by Shadetreader 3 · 0 0

There are three things to be addressed:

1) No condoms for 3rd World countries. This isn't just in the third world, but universally. The idea is that sex is reserved only for married couples, and those couples must be open to allowing God to create children, so anything that hinders the possibility of procreation artificially (condom, Pill, etc.) is morally wrong. That said, no one wants a terminally impoverished community to keep on bearing child after child who cannot be fed, clothed or cared for. Many American Catholics (I am one) have been pushing for years for a doctrinal allowance for this - that the Vatican annunciate the stated need for Family Planning while giving people who don't have access to the education necessary for the Billings Method or similar natural methods the opportunity to live in a more sustainable way that doesn't involve destruction of a fetus. Many of us are encouraged that the Vatican recognizes the usefulness of the condom in preventing the spread of HIV and other STDs.

As a side note, may I mention that people everywhere are in control of their sexuality. You decide when to have sex and when not to. The sad thing is that sexual maturity does not always coincide with the emotional maturity necessary to control sexual urges. But this is absolutely necessary to live in civilized society. I think it does a terrible disservice to peoples of the lesser-developed nations to say "If only they'd have condoms or the Pill they wouldn't have so many kids" because it makes them sound like uneducated peoples who do nothing but have sex. Some accountability has be carried by the people who are responsible for their own population boom, as well as by the governments who have failed to provide a stable situation for their people to receive resources and make a living.

2) That the Vatican refuses to stop the suffering of its own members is baloney. The vast majority of aid missions to lesser-developed nations in Africa and elsewhere comes from Vatican coffers. Organizations like Pax Christi and Oxfam are Catholic entities with significant funding from the Vatican, while missionaries such as the Jesuits, Dominicans, Franciscans and others have thousands of persons in these nations working on teaching villagers to raise crops, build stronger houses, defuse tensions without violence, and improve medicine in their communities. It is not a perfect cover, but by no means does the Vatican neglect the poor.

3) The wealth of the Vatican. Yes, it is true that the Vatican is extremely wealthy. Consider the form of that wealth: buildings, land and artifacts, as well as money. The money is used for the administration of a church that ministers to more than 1.2 Billion persons. Its employees have for the most part taken vows of simplicity (if not of poverty), so they are not paid much. They have also taken (for the most part) vows of celibacy, and so there are no dependants to support. The liquid wealth (monies) are put to good use.

What about the other wealth - buildings such as St. Peter's Basilica and all of the world's Catholic churches, cathedrals and monuments? Some of these have been sold (the St. Louis archdiocese has sold at least a dozen in the past five years) for redevelopment. But really, who would buy St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican, or the Cathedral of Notre Dame in Paris or the Holy Family Cathedral in Chicago? These buildings are working capital, put to use for the good of the flock, whether they are destitutely poor or not.

Consider an analogy: I used to work at a restaurant. The owner was approached by a student asking for a donation for his school. The owner smiled and wrote out a check for $1,000 from company profits. Instead of being grateful, the student groaned and said "your restaurant is worth $550,000. This is the best you can do?"

The owner was enraged at the ingratitude. He took the student around the kitchen and said "this oven cost $15,000. Should I sell it and give you the money?" and "this dish machine cost $20,000. You want me to rip it out of the wall." Then to the front, "I have 42 tables in here, each cost $300. How many can you fit in your car?"

The point is, don't confuse wealth with liquidity. And don't confuse estimates of wealth with market value. NASA's shuttle launch site may be worth $20 Million, but that is an accounting value meant to impute the total cost of its construction. If they sold it, who would buy it? Would it be worth $20 Million to them?

2006-06-19 09:43:17 · answer #6 · answered by Veritatum17 6 · 0 0

Nate is an athiest because of the Catholic stance on condoms.. LOL

Why do people insist on blaming the faith for the failings of the PEOPLE that represent the faith. Aren't we but humans; some trying act out appointments as if blessed by the Lord himself?

2006-06-21 13:25:07 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

T'is true. It's a silly and ignorant viewpoint. They say that sex for other than reproduction is a sin. Therefore, contraceptives like condoms, are sinful. The view that bigger familys are somehow more holy, seems like a convenient way to get more followers. (ie: more tithe $ for the church.)

2006-06-20 14:33:53 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

the same reason they insist that you do not blaspheme, sodomize, commit murder, bear false witness, etc.

Because the church believes that sexuality is not something which should be abused and turned into a thrill seeking activity which undermines the sanctity of marriage.

I didnt say you have to agree with it. I'm simply stating facts.

2006-06-19 05:25:57 · answer #9 · answered by askthepizzaguy 4 · 0 0

As i was saying religion ended up by being nothing more than a business.We preach about helping people but when it comes to the facts,we don't want to get involved very much.

2006-06-19 06:00:00 · answer #10 · answered by Tinkerbell05 6 · 0 0

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