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I thought I already posted this.. but I guess not..

Can someone please simplify this for me... Answer as if your talking to a child, I need to understand this completey..
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What exactly are the two different views here.. which one do you beleive and why?

2006-06-18 09:53:42 · 4 answers · asked by CarrieJean 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Wesley had a hard time with the doctrine of election meaning that God had elected some to salvation and not the rest. His main difficulty was the flip side of this doctrine which is reprobation or the choosing of God that some would not be saved or in other words they would perish. After struggling with this He wrote his mother who responded that the election of God was nothing more than God looking down the future to see who would choose Him and He elected them. Wesley thought a God who would choose some to destruction was a terrible God and could not be the true God so He became very hostile to the doctrine of election and embraced totally the Arminian view that man is able to choose his salvation and or to lose it himself. Calvinism believes in the sovereign work of God in the salvation of men. Although they do teach that men are not puppets and are responsible for their actions and choices but because they are born dead in sin because of the fall of Adam they are unable to even see the kingdom of God and only choose a life of sin even though they do this willingly. They are spiritually blind and can't see the salvation of God by faith in Christ. They are spiritually deaf and can't hear what the Spirit says to the churches. So in summary Wesley believes everybody has the ability to choose God or not in themselves and Calvinism says unless one is born again by the Spirit of God they can't.

2006-06-18 10:12:19 · answer #1 · answered by beek 7 · 1 0

John Wesley started the Methodist Church.
Calvinistic is the Presbyterian Church.
I'm neither.
but I do know that Presbyterians believe in pre-destination, meaning that you don't need to witness, because God has already chosen who will be in heaven and who won't.
I'm sorry, but I don't know much about the Methodist's

2006-06-18 09:58:16 · answer #2 · answered by ♥Poetic1♥ 5 · 0 0

If it's about losing your Salvation(don't know much bout' either one of these guys Calvin and Wesley) but know alot about losing it!!!!!!!!!(ha,ha,ha inside joke)----once your Spiritman is RECREATED(Born-Again, SAVED) it is hard to get it to change-back big time to being LOST AGAIN (Unpardonable SIN), A Child of GOD has to go up very high in the Spiritual REALM then do what Adam did on purpose, WALK away from JESUS for GOOD, not wanting anything to do with Christianity any-more. To Commit this SIN you have to KNOW what you are doing, it is bout' the same as HIGH TREASON. There is a very EXACT INDICATOR that you can go by, personally and to tell bout' other people. This is it: if YOU are afraid that you have committed the Unpardonable SIN----YOU HAVEN"T!!!!!----the very fact that your afraid mean's that you still want to be with GOD in HEAVEN. Anybody who has known GOD(Baby Christian's cannot commit this SIN) and done the thing's(grown enough in the Spiritual REALM) necessary to commit this SIN and COMMIT IT, do not want anything to do with GOD or HIS PEOPLE anymore after that. If you mention the NAME of JESUS to them they will probable walk away. HOPE this is the answer to your question, if not, Oh well !!!!!!!!
p.s. Very few Children of GOD commit this SIN, but it has been done. So sad.........
p.s.s. This isn't regular ole' sinning like drunkeness, lying, cheating, fornication, being gay, smoking dope---this is a DECISION to WALK AWAY FROM JESUS ON PURPOSE FOR EVER!!!!(Eternity really)

2006-06-18 10:28:15 · answer #3 · answered by maguyver727 7 · 0 0

neither

2006-06-18 09:56:45 · answer #4 · answered by Judas Rabbi 7 · 0 0

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