Christians: If it can be rationally shown through debate and fact that your belief...?

Question

In god is irrational, will you be willing to renounce your belief?

This is such an important question in whether you are serious about facts or simply emotionally clinging to a hope?

Please, no long explanation of your beliefs or emotional appeals.

This is a Yes or No question.

To: bluefirewitch

Is the irational concept of belief in the existence of magic unicorns the same as the concept of a lack of belief in a magic unicorns?

To: Martin

The difference is you are making a false assumption that I am positing a belief, when my question is just the opposite. It isn't arrogance when you are using facts to show why something is irrational.

To: mashiah48901

In other words, for example, you would not let anyone attempt to persuade you to let go of your beliefs in Magic Elves, because the proof of their existence only exists in Magic Elf Land, which is beyond comprehension? I see.

To: Billy

What you attempt is somewhat like smoke and mirrors. A card trick by turning the table instead to your hand. You say: "You can't, though, because it's a bedrock principle of logic that you can't prove a negative statement like "God doesn't exist"."

I am not one but obviously I know of no atheist who would make such a dumb statement or attempt to defend it. If you claim belief in Scooby Doo but have no real proof outside of a large collection of cataloged cartoons and childrens diaries of their experience watching Scooby, It is up to you to show this as rational and supported, otherwise it's just wishful thinking.
My question was designed to see how many of you out there are dogmatic. Like asking if I can show you that your parents arent really your biological parents would you stop believing they are? If you say "no" then you are admitting you dont care about facts.

Answer 1

The existence of "God" will never be proved or disproved. Those who cling to religious believes do so because they refuse to consider alternatives.

Answer 2

Yes I would. . . if you could do that. You can't, though, because it's a bedrock principle of logic that you can't prove a negative statement like "God doesn't exist". Demonstrating lack of necessity (if you could even do that) isn't the same thing. I can think of no rational, logical proof you could possibly come up with to conclusively prove to me that belief in God is irrational. I've studied the topic too extensively for that, I think. Furthermore, you should consider the quite real possibility that your belief in atheism (if that's what you believe) is simply an emotional clinging to hope. An atheist's universe has several attractive features that might cause someone with a weakness for wishful thinking to want to believe in it. Namely, it lacks a troublesome, interfering, commanding God to keep you from doing the things you want to do. It offers limited liabilities- no utterly eternal catastrophe can ever befall you, and if earthly troubles ever get to be more than you wish to bear, then suicide is always possible, and death ends everything. You have quite a bit of control over things, in a world like that. To someone steeped in that way of thinking, one of the worst horrors of the Christian universe is that it has no possibility of escape. . . ever. Ultimate control is not in your hands anymore, which can be a terrifying prospect to have to face. That's why I say you should be very careful about examining your own possible wishful thinking, before you conclude that Christians are the only ones who can ever be guilty of that mistake.

Answer 3

Your question is like asking "if it can rationally be shown that a circle is really a square would you renounce your belief that a circle is really a circle and start calling it a square?".

I say that because I've heard all of the arguments and unless you can prove that their isn't a God then more arguments are not going to sway my belief.

I spent the majority of my life as an agnostic because I think that it's foolish to positively believe that there isn't a God when you can only prove that something doesn't exist by proving that it's impossible for the subject of the debate to exist.

Can you prove that it is impossible for there to be a supernatural being with powers and intelligence far beyond our own to exist?

Answer 4

no I whould now
now can evloutionist back up what they belive. Christianity has stayed basicly the same since its begginging but evloution which has been around for about 150 give or take has changed a number of times. Each time it has changed scientists have changed their view with out scientific fact. In 1969 when the astronaughts(sp?) landed on the moon the scientists thought that there was going to be like 10feet of space dust because of the "millions of years" and dust whould collect for all that time but there was only and inch maybe a little more so they changed their theory to make it fit what they belived.

Answer 5

In II Peter 2, verses 1 and 2, it says that there are going to be teachers who mock the teaching of Jesus Christ dying for our sins. I Corinthians 15, verses 3 and 4 says Christ died for our sins, he was buried and he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Now, if the resurrection is just symbolical, then the death must be symbolical. His death was literal. His resurrection is literal. If you don't keep the resurrection, you cannot go to heaven and that is Romans chapter 10, verses 9 and 10. You must accept the literal bodily resurrection of Christ.


Your Worldly Facts:

Taking the bible literally, it was Sir Isaac Newton and today he's claimed by the scientists of the world to be the greatest mind scientifically to ever exist in history, said just before Christ returns, ministers will mock the idea of a literal Bible. And Sir Anderson who did the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24 said the same thing. They will mock the literal interpretation of the Holy Word of God. Stick to it and believe what it says literally.

these are YOUR wordly friends, that said this. Got Jesus?

Answer 6

I am by no means a "religious" person. I am a scientist and I never go to church nor do I ever feel a need for me to go to church. But sometimes, all of us have to believe in something irrational. It's what gives people hope and dreams. Believing in irrationality has led to humanities greatest achievements, technologically and spiritually. Questions like yours cannot and should not be answered by a simple "yes" or "no". And not expecting people to defend in what they believe in, no matter how irrational it may be, is an arrogant testament to how isolated you are from the rest of the world.

Answer 7

Here are a couple of FACTS for you, the questioner:

FACT NUMBER ONE: In mathematics, rational is a quantity expressed in finite terms. God is INFINITE.

FACT NUMBER TWO: Rationalism is a philosophy which makes reason the sole guide; a system opposed to supernatural or divine revelation. As Christians, our beliefs are based on that which IS supernatural and divine, rather than on that which is reasoned by the limited intelligence of men. So, the DEFINITIVE answer to your question is that your question is "irrational." I will not renounce that which is divine and limitless for that which is carnal and limited.

Answer 8

I don't think you could logically debate this belief away.

Truth can be described in the equation "p is true if and only if p corresponds to a fact." So, if a person can state that they have experienced God in their lives, that is a fact for them.

This would logically show that God is ture if and only if a person has experienced God in their lives. You must not have experienced God. It is, then, no wonder that you believe that a belief in God to be irrational. That isn't your truth.

Answer 9

It's not enough to show that belief in God is irrational. It must be shown that belief in God through organized religion actually stifles the progress of love in our world.

When an alternative is patiently explained to someone, they then have the chance to decide for themselves what they really ought to be devoting their energy to. They should be actually loving other people, not talking about it on Sunday or putting a face (Jesus) on it.

Answer 10

When I asked God to come into my life,within in the time of a week I had supernatural things happen to me,That I didn't expect.
The wonderful feeling of love flowing into me; The bible just 'opened up to me ' in the terms of understanding it; I had a strong desire to read it; going to church was exiciting and fun. I could go on and on but you get the idea. My belief in God comes from within. I KNOW something is there,and no amount of debate could sway me. By the way, my experience happened over 30 years ago.

Answer 11

Christianity is based on pagan beliefs and myths.It was developed soley to control the masses. All traditions of saviors and virgin births were all borrowed from much older religions. Do the research.The babble is a collection of man made stories. Pure fiction.