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2006-06-17 16:57:14 · 23 answers · asked by hghghghgh 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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John 1:1 In the beginning the word was ....and the word was God.
John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time.
Harmonize that!
I, and many others (Christians,Jews and Muslims), do not believe in a Trinity.
The word itself was not applied to Christian doctrine until centuries after all the apostles were dead.
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2006-06-17 17:21:40 · answer #1 · answered by Tim 47 7 · 0 0

The trinity is a more complex issue than people make it out to be. Although the 1x1x1 =1 and response of having faith can be helpful it still does not necesarily make it any simpler to understand how a seemingly three person God is still a monotheistic God.

First off....you arent alone, greater minds than you and i have struggled with the concept for centuries. Here are some things which might help you when you look at the trinity.

1) Try to distinguish the acts of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (sorry for lack of inclusive language) instead of seperating them. Often in Western Monotheism (Christianity implied here) we tend to look at the triune God as a triangle with the Creator on top and the Son and the Spirit at the base. Even without the picture the hierarchy seems to still be in many peoples minds. As humans we do percieve each member of the one God as something different but we should take caution to try and avoid seperating the acts of the spirit from that of the creator or of the son. If we believe that Jesus was the alpha and the omega it is helpful to see Him as much as the Creator and as the Renewer as the Father and the Spirit respectively.

2) Along that train of thought, realize that if you do not seperate the actions of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit then it is much easier to identify them as parts of one whole. Eastern Monotheism (Christianity again implied) uses periochosis (sp?) or a circular diagram to describe the relationship. Here there is no seperation or hierachy created, the acts of Jesus as God are seen as no different that the acts of the Father as God nor as the continued presence of the Holy spirt as God. After all if we believe they are as much equal parts of one triune God the acts we attribute to one are just as attributable as another.

Although these are a bit murky at wordy to consider the two ideas can be helpful to better understand the trinity concept. Continue searching and embrace the idea with the faith that God in the three persons an active God personally involved in your life.

2006-06-18 00:19:27 · answer #2 · answered by blindog23 4 · 0 0

I take it that you mean why doesn't the Holy Trinity (God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit) make any sense. I really don't know what you mean from there as you didn't provide any details.

The Holy Trinity is a divine mystery. We aren't supposed to be able to fully comprehend and understand it. However, you can look into it further. See paragraphs 249 through 256 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

2006-06-18 00:03:27 · answer #3 · answered by bienvenunet 2 · 0 0

What about it doesn't make sense? To me it makes perfect sense.

The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God (cf. John 8:58, 10:38, 14:10; Col. 2:9). It also clearly teaches that the Holy Spirit is God (cf. Acts 5:3–4, 28:25–28; 1 Cor. 2:10–13). Everyone agrees the Father is God. Yet there is only one God (Mark 12:29, 1 Cor. 8:4–6, Jas. 2:19).

Jesus tells his apostles to baptize "in the name [notice, singular, not plural] of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19). This is a proof-text: three distinct Persons united in the one divine name. In 2 Corinthians 13:14, Paul writes, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." We see this same unity of divine Persons in 1 Corinthians 12:4–11, Ephesians 4:4–6, and 1 Peter 1:2–3.

2006-06-18 00:03:11 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

We aren't supposed to be able to comprehend all of God's nature or understand everything. If we knew all that He knew then what would be the point of their being a God. The Trinity is hard for many people to understand because they just can't grasp the 3-in-1 Being. Just know God isn't a human like us, he's a spirit being. Jesus the Son is also part of God as is the Holy Spirit. When we pray, Jesus intercedes and goes to God the Father on our behalf. The Holy Ghost is with us and is supposed to be our Comforter. It might take awhile but one day it may become clearer to you. You can always pray to God for a better understanding.

2006-06-18 00:17:30 · answer #5 · answered by Nico 7 · 0 0

I agree with you. The trinity is a hard thing to grasp. That's one of the many reasons I left Christianity for Islam.

You see all the holy books sent down by God state that there is only One True God. In arabic this is said as Allah.

I ask that you study early christian history. You will find that the divinity of Christ was introduced much later in time. Jesus p.b.u.h. was first a man and a prophet. You can start with the council of nicea. Also look up some things on early pagan religions. Some good ones are Mithraism, followers of Osiris, Bacchus, Krishna, and Zoroaster. All of these religions taught the trinity. It was later incorporated into Christianity to appease the pagans so they would convert and Constantine would have a stable empire.

A quote during the council of nicea by Bishop Arius of Alexandria "... for the son is a creature and a work. Neither is he like in essence to the Father; neither is he the true natural word of the Father; neither is he His true wisdom... Wherefore he is by nature subject to change and variation, as are all rational creatures." Quoted by Athanasius, Despositio Arii, ch.ii. However, Arius and many other Bishops were exiled by Constantine for not accepting to grant Jesus p.b.u.h. godhead.

Also F.C. Conybeare states "The idea of the mediator between God and man was put forth by Philo, and this train of speculation was crowned towards the end of the century by the declaration that he (Jesus) was the Logos, the Word of God, which as Philo says comes down from heaven to earth and ascends thither again."

For proof from the bible itself, just look at the old testament. Throughout the O.T. there is no mention of the trinity only verses which preach unadulterable unity of godhead.

The O.T. is what the early christians used until the later N.T. was written. Also the N.T. has many insertions in it from later centuries. The verse, "For there are three who bear witness in heaven -- the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit; and these are one," is an example of this (1 John 5:5). "Among all the old manuscripts of the Gospels there are only two Greek manuscripts, of the 15th and 16th centuries, which contain this verse as it is. All the other 400 (or more) Greek manuscripts dating as far back as 4th and 5th centuries, do not contain any such verse. It means that this spurious verse was inserted into the Bible about the 15th century, with the result that when the compilation of the Revised Version was undertaken, this verse had to be expunged and, as the matter stands at present, the Christian doctrine of Trinity stands denuded of any gospelic support or sanction." Dimensions of Christianity pgs 77-78.
(note if you can't find it in the bible type the verse into a search engine)

I hope these things help you in understanding the origins of the trinity and how it is NOT a true teaching of christianity. I encourage you however not to take my word for it but to come to your own conclusion. For faith is a matter for the individual and no one can tell us how to worship and believe besides our Lord God and our relationship with Him. I offer you facts and now it is up to you to interpret them according to your knowledge.

May Allah s.w.t. be with all of you

2006-06-18 02:21:07 · answer #6 · answered by Nikki 2 · 0 0

Are you speaking of the Blessed Trinity?

If so, maybe this answer will help you. I am a mother, a daughter, and an aunt. Each of these have different roles and different responsibilities but they are all "me."

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, are all the same. GOD.

Each name of God is a lesson to us about how God relates to us, about His care for us, about His ability and about His power and His might. It gives us insight into the character and the nature of God and who God really is.

God is Love and the Creator of all. In Genesis we see His glory in creation. It is still true according to Psalm 19 that "the heavens declare the glory of God." Any study of the universe, no matter how small the approach, will bring a person to glorify God in some way. God has made it that way.

Jesus is our Savior and indeed the Mighty God. One of the unique things about our Savior is that the founder of our faith, the Lord Jesus is not just a great prophet. He's not just a great teacher, but he is himself the Mighty God.

The Holy Spirit is our Comforter, the breath of God, the wind of God, the living water. The Lord Jesus said about the Holy Spirit, "He will guide you into all truth" (John 16:13)
Jesus speaks of the Holy Spirit's ministry in John 14:16-17,
"And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever -- the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you."

God will reveal it to you...

He answers all prayers sent knee-mail.

2006-06-18 00:41:03 · answer #7 · answered by MesquiteGal 4 · 0 0

John 1 " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

John 14 " The Word became flesh..."

John the Baptist links the Holy Spirit with Jesus ( Luke 3:16 )
- Babtizdo ( Greek ) means to overwhelm, immerse, plunge, drench
-Jesus, the Spirit-filled man
He received the power through the Holy Spirit at His baptism ( Luke 3:22 )
He was led by the Spirit ( Luke 4:1,14,18 )

We live in the age of Spirit. God has promised to give His Spirit to every Christian. ( Acts:38-39 )

Holy Spirit helps us to develop our relationship with God.

This was making me so confused for so long time...but now I accept that I will never understand everything totally. I love the Lord and I pray for wisdom.

Somebody ones explained this thing to me with an egg. Like the egg has shell, yolk and egg white we still just call it egg.

Let the Spirit of God talk to you. God is still answering prayers.

2006-06-18 00:47:23 · answer #8 · answered by SeeTheLight 7 · 0 0

Do you mean the holy Trinity? It makes a lot of sense to me. The is God the father, Jesus the son, and the Holy Spirit. No one gets to God the father but through Jesus the son. The Holy Spirit dwells within us all to teach us and help us communicate with Jesus.

2006-06-18 00:01:35 · answer #9 · answered by N M 3 · 0 1

It's a testament to man's vanity that he should believe that he can understand or interpret God. The holy Trinity is a mystery. There will always be things that we mere mortal souls will never understand. Life is short. Enlightenment will come soon enough.

2006-06-18 00:17:40 · answer #10 · answered by jamesedge 2 · 0 0

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