What about the schools?

Question

There are so many Legal and illegal kids in the school systems today. A lot of these children don't know English. Many teachers are having problems excelling in class work, because they are having to spend more time with the non speaking English students. Is this slowing down or dumbing down our school systems? Is this fair to American children?

Answer 1

This is the toughest of the Federal Law requirements to understand and change.

You cannot deny a child education. You don't want them to be like Gypsies. I heard some people were and asked a couple 12 year olds how they were doing in school. They flat out told me they never went to school.

So instead of sending them to school with the rest of the kids, I say their parents pay for home schooling by a representative of the state with English as the first requirement. If you have to use school property, the cost has to be made up somewhere. Since it's the jobs that attract them, businesses would have to pay at the county level, not the residents.

If you require that they go to school, then it cannot be illegal to separate kids by language, but a requirement in order to take the school system seriously.

They get the attention, they get the education, everyone else sufffers.

As a national language, I see no problem requiring it to get an education.

Aleks: We can see who in the classroom you do your job with to educate children, and who is the hater now?

Answer 2

This is a tough question. I admit that English speaking children are losing out when teachers have to spend time with non-English speaking students. I do not like it when illegal students are in schools that are paid for by tax monies that their parents took no part in. But, how do you get rid of them? Send them somewhere else, just don't allow them to go to school, report the parents and have the whole family deported? I don't know. Also what if the parents are here with work visas or green cards and the students still do not understand basic English, how do you cope with that problem? It is not an easy fix no matter what you do. I have not seen a single goverment plan that fully addresses the problem.

Answer 3

No it is not fair for American children to wait around for non-English speaking children to learn English and keep up with the whole class. The non-English speaking children are the new kids on the block and should keep up with the rest of the class. It is the responsibility of the parents to make sure their non-English speaking children learn the basic English languange before enrolling them in class. We are catering way too much to those people and the ramafication is detremental to our American children who's suppose to be the Future of America. The schools should have a different class for non-English speaking students. If they stall and their learning is slow, that's their problem. I am running out of sympathy to those people.

P.S. as I have observed in California, the Asians, African Americans and other races advance faster (learning wise) in comparisson to hispanic children. This is not a racist comment, it's just simply factual.

Answer 4

See the school message board on Oprah sites. Even the teachers admit to problems-overcrowding, gangs, the cost of free lunches, drop in standards of testing, the cost for special needs and a host of other things. Why do they allow it-not for the children's sake but the money they received per student paid by taxes. The teachers care for the kids it has just added to many headaches.
No one wants to hurt the children. but many are being hurt.
Can Mexico educate their children? Of course many of the pioneers did. And many from Mexico do have a good education. But their Government once again does not take care of the people.
Should we? It is hard to say can we educate everybody-no. Not that we wouldn't like too-its just not possible. Do in helping others let our own suffer-it is happening and Oprah showed it and her Teacher board is for all to see.
Help some and Hurt others-doesn't sound right to me.

If their purpose was to go back home to teach their own I would make the exception. but that is not the case

Answer 5

It not fair at all. We limit poor immigrants, as we absolutely need to, because they are much more of a cost than their taxes pay, even if they pay all taxes. Education is a prime example, particularly in areas where they concentrate. It cost $18,000 to educate a child for one year in California. Our schools in California are failing and this money is desperately needed to educate our own children, and those who legally immigrate in accordance with a sensible immigration policy. It is more than that though, since ESL education is also more time consuming and slows instruction for others. Check out the ESL demographics and compare them to the test scores of LA schools at Greatschool.net.

Their better life is at the expense of our children's future.

redhotboxsoxfan - the solution is to set a sensible immigration policy that compensates for the impact on our schools, then enforce it. The government seems to think they don't need to enforce it if they don't feel like it. That isn't acceptable.

Aleks - if you have taught you probably have some idea how much the special programs like speech therapy you had cost. Is it fair that money should be spent on children who shouldn't be in this country when it is so badly needed for children who are legally here?

Answer 6

kids are are able to absorb ridiculous amounts of information.

i was one of those illegal kids who went to school not knowing a word of english. they gave me extra classes for a while, had me in "speech therapy" for about 6 weeks, and i was ready to rejoin my class normally. for kids its very easy to learn. the english students didn't even realize anything. my teacher never "dumbed down" anything because of me, and if i hadn't learned i would've simply had to repeat the first grade.

that's always an option, if you don't learn what you're supposed to you should repeat the grade. if you don't finish school that's your problem. the government only has to teach you until you're 16 anyway.

btw to all the immigrant haters.
i've taught in public schools with large immigrant populations (boston). trust me when i say some americans think that they "deserve" a good grade simply cause they show up to school, and many immigrant kids know they have to work hard and were my best students.
BOTH american and immigrant kids are in gangs. BOTH cause problems.
poverty and drive is what really separates. not legal status.

Answer 7

Schools are going down the tubes because of illegal immigrants. If I had children in the school system nowadays, I would home school them. I don't believe illegal immigrants' children should be allowed to attend US schools. They should have to show their proof of being in the USA legally and if they cannot, they should be deported with their families immediately. This may sound hard and cruel to the children, but it was their parents who were hard and cruel to bring them into the USA illegally, in the first place, so put the blame where it belongs - with their parents, not the US taxpaying legal citizens!

Answer 8

Nope. The word here is balkanization. Not only does it cause a break down in the social fabric. It leads to violence.

The most important thing you forgot to say about those schools with all the non-english speaking kids is they are incredibly violent.

Diversity and multiculturalism are a lie....an intentional falsehood by marxists. VIOLENCE in your neighborhood was their goal all along. They hope to sow chaos and that this chaos might collapse our government. After replacing it with a sick communist dictatorship and killing a few hundred million people in various genocides, utopia will develop. Just like the utopias in North Korea, Cuba and the former Soviet Union.

This evil nonsense is why immigration reform is such an important issue. We absolutely can not allow these evil bastards to get away with this. Failure to act will result in rioting similar to what is happening right now in France.

Answer 9

no it is not fair . and its out of hand when i was still in school we had two brothers from a middle east country they could not speak a lick of english but they did not pander to them they went to classes and you could tell they had no clue as to what was going on but after school they went to english classes those boys worked real hard by the end of the year they were coming along and started talking to people it is possible to learn english people ! and its a must have in this country

Answer 10

but the non english children should be allowed to learn know so that they also can excell in life