If muslims are so confident that their Koran is unchanged why wont they let epople translate ....?

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the oldest known versions.

See this article.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4048586,00.html

They threaten to kill people for discovering the truth.

Their own guy, Al-Tabari, the original "satanic verse" writer, is alos their own renown Koran theologist.

Their own man discovered the satanic verses, acknowledging the pagan moon god, Alilah's 3 daughters, giving them god status in Koran, before they removed, shortly before or after Mohammeds death.

Im just tired of Muslims saying their book is unchanged, when they know it has. That is why they wont allow people to evaluate the oldest version of the Koran.

For those who wont even research the moon god Alilah ,

dont even bother responding to questions. You idiocy preceeds you.

Im not talking about textual differences, im talking about complete suras not showing up, or completely different ones in their place.

Answer 1

Because they are afraid of the truth. I wonder how mnay of them know the truth.

Answer 2

Oh who cares, xians have told me the same thing about the bible that take a literal translation of it... lol i've learned fundies are faith based people given to emotion, there's no point in arguing logic with them when they don't base thier beliefs on logic. Best to just let them be and do your part with those that are docile enough to listen and learn about something. Most xians especially haven't read their own bible let alone the hundred other books that were not included in the cannon and sources from the gnostics et nazorean essenes. Or any of the many other xian writings out there by theologians through the centuries. They deny any pagan origins which xianity obviously has many foreign influences for anybody thats read anything. So they have a very limited view even if they have read the bible, they have nothing to compare the bible too or a understanding of the times, language, etc that is used. I guess what I'm trying to say they're ignorant and/or stubborn so just do your own part and READ yourself so your not one of them. I still get creationists, new earthers, etc all the time and no matter how much logic and evidence you present your wasting your time. And Muslims are the same way, brainwashed and told that thier book is perfect word of god and too stubborn to admit that it has contradictions or that it's been changed at all. As long as they're not hurting anyone guess it doesn't matter, sooner or later Nietsche will be right and god will really be dead. And Jefferson's words will come to pass as well, And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva, in the brain of Jupiter. -Thomas Jefferson

Answer 3

Allah knows best, I believe His book and the word of Prophet Muhammad SAWS

I was a Muslim before I was born, I was raised as a non Muslim and when I grew up I found Islam again, my thanks to God...

And if you were open minded enough to read a translation of the Noble Qur´an... you may just see for yourself. The guardian.co.uk will not tell you about the Qur´an... the Qur´an will....

I just think non Muslims are bitter cause their souls know they are mistaken. I do not go about spreading what I hate... I have no need for that.

Answer 4

hi :) in truth, the Koran is God's speech to people. Quran isn't a word of guy. that is the interest of the author >> The God, the purely God in this international. the fellow who created you, me and all of us, and each thing. similar for all previous scriptures (Torah, Bible ..etc), they were all God's speech to human. God's messengers used to keep those scriptures right into a written kind (for this reason the interest scriptures). So people of those days used to "accuse" messengers through telling them : "this isn't God speech, that's a e book youwrote consisting of your palms" So God keen to despatched his very last messenger Muhammad as "illitrate" ! certain, that is real that prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is did not understand a thanks to position in writing. however he's the instructor of the total international, he did not even write a word in his existence. God despatched Jibril ( a holly angel) to teach Muhammad PBUH the Quran. Prophet Muhammad used to memorize each and each verse that Jibril taught him. so as all his collegues, they memorized the Quran, The Quran replaced into no longer written into papers except "after" the shortcoming of existence of prophet Muhammad peace upon him. that's a considerable aspect to word. ___________________________________ yet another inportant aspect is : The Quran has very huge apporach. The Quran has tremendous that signifies that matches in many scopes of existence, no longer only non secular ones. The Quran is different from the different e book, Arabian Muslims sometimes choose "further translation and clarification" to a pair verses of the Quran. some Islamic researchers and pupils would get a PhD in "clarification and interpretation" of a few verses of the Quran, that is Arabic to Arabic. compared to the present pretend variations of Torah and bibles at present. The Quran is amazingly deep and dense e book with many data, which have continuously been stumbled on, on a daily basis. So bypass for any tafseer, and sturdy success. choose you the great.

Answer 5

What is your point from all those not innocent questions ? i red it before , it is the stupid idea that Islamic terrorisms are following the right Islam , so the solution is to eliminate Islam , so you gave your life to that holy mission ? am i true ?

If that's your ONLY idea , so listen up , man

Muslims hate and refuse terrorism , and hate terrorists …

Terrorists are not applying the right islam , they are applying the most extreme explanations of islamic rules … so if you find that is the right islam , you are one of them , and think like them , but most muslims don't .

the whole point of view of those scum Islamic terrorists is that the west (the crusaders) are fighting us (Muslims) so we have to fight back ... and by all attempts of fools doing like you, trying to pick a war against Muslims or Islam, and to make more people enemies to Islam is not going to eliminate Islam because it is in the hearts of 1.3 billion people, and we all , terrorists and moderate , are ready to die for it if necessary , but it will only do one thing; prove the Islamic terrorists point of view. Give them a reason to what they do, That is the only thing that stupid war you gave yourself to wage will do , is that what you want ? to aid terrorism ????

So instead of all that foolish war against Islam, lets all Muslims, Christians and Jews win OUR WAR against terrorism we all hate and refuse .

p.s : isn't your religion calling for loving and tolerance ... ? Follow that, please

Answer 6

There are no versions in the Quran.
There is no Moon god ---There is only one God 'Allah'

Muslims say their book is unchanged, And i very much believe it has not.

Answer 7

because like thefundamentalist christians, they actually believe that people don't make mistakes when hand copying things If it was translated into another language, some of the words would have more than one meaning.

Answer 8

Some people claim that it loses something in the translation.

Have a lovely rest of the day.

Answer 9

I invited anyone, I say again anyone to take the original, and translate it with the support of a good ARABIC DICTIONARY

Answer 10

We are instructed by the Noble Qura'an to answer back with the word "Peace" when addressed by ignorants, so again: Peace.


Muhammed A – Z
May Allah Exalt his Mention
By Yusuf Estes, Former Christian Preacher

Muhammad ibn Abdullah ibn Abdul Muttalib
Born 570 C.E. (Christian Era); died 633 C.E.

The following is based on books, manuscripts, texts and actual eyewitness accounts, too numerous to mention herein, preserved in original form throughout the centuries by both Muslims and non-Muslims.

Many people today are discussing Prophet Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention. Who was he exactly? What did he teach? Why was he loved so much by some and hated so much by others? Did he live up to his claims? Was he a holy man? Was he a prophet of God? What is the truth about this man?You be the judge.
Here are the facts as narrated by thousands of people, many of whom knew him personally.
*He was born to a noble tribe to the lineage of the leaders of Makkah.
*His name comes from the Arabic root "hamd" and literally means "praised one." People at his time and until this very moment, praise him many times per day, may Allah exalt his mention.
*He never fell into the common practice of his tribesmen to worship statues, idols or man-made "gods."
*He believed that God was truly One God, and as such, He was to be worshipped alone, without any other "gods" beside Him.
*He held the Name of God in the highest of reverence and never took God's Name in vain or for any vain glorious purpose.
*He despised false worship and all of the complexities and degradation to which it leads.
*He adhered to the Commandments of Almighty God, just as prophets of old had done in the past.
*He never committed adultery, and he forbade others from doing it.
*He forbade usury and interest on money lending, as Jesus, may Allah exalt his mention, had done centuries before him.
*He never gambled and did not allow it.
*He never drank alcohol or strong drink; even though it was a very normal thing for people of his time and place.
*He did not engage in gossip and used to turn away from hearing anything related to it.
*He fasted for days at a time to be closer to Almighty God and away from the narrowness of worldly attractions.
*He taught that Jesus, may Allah exalt his mention, was the immaculate conception and miracle birth of Mary, and that she was among the best creation of Almighty God.
*He insisted even to the Jews of Medina, that Jesus, may Allah exalt his mention, was the Messiah, the Christ, the one predicted to come in their Torah (Old Testament).
*He said Jesus, may Allah exalt his mention, did many miracles by the permission of Almighty God, curing the lepers, restoring sight to the blind and even bringing a dead man back to life.
*He stated clearly that Jesus, may Allah exalt his mention, was not dead, rather Almighty God had raised him up.
*He foretold that Jesus, may Allah exalt his mention, is going to return again in the Last Days to lead the true believers in a victory over the evil and unrighteous people, and he will destroy the Anti-Christ.
*He commanded the payment of charity to the poor and he was the defender and protector of widows, orphans and the wayfarers.
*He ordered people to unite with their families and honor the ties of kinship and he restored relationships between family members.
*He required his followers to engage only in lawful marriage relationships with women, and forbade sex outside of Almighty God's Ordinance.
*He insisted on giving women their proper rights, dowries, inheritance and property.
*His patience and humble attitude were exemplary and all who knew him had to admit to these virtues.
A. He never lied, never broke a trust never bore false witness, and he was famous with all the tribes in Makkah and was known as: "The Truthful" (Al-Ameen).
B. He never once engaged in sex outside of marriage, nor did he ever approve of it, even though it was very common at the time.
C. His only relationships with women were in legitimate, contractual marriages with proper witnesses according to law.
D. His relationship to Ayesha was only that of marriage. Their relationship is described in every detail by Ayesha herself in the most loving and respectful manner as a match truly made in heaven. Ayesha is considered as one of the highest scholars of Islam and lived out her entire life only having been married to Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention. She never desired any other man, nor did she ever utter a single negative statement against Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention.
E. He forbade any killing until the orders came from Allah. Even then the limits were clearly spelled out and only those engaged in active combat against the Muslims or Islam were to be fought in combat. And even then, only according to very strict rules from Allah.
F. Killing any innocent life was forbidden.
G. There was no genocide of Jews. He offered mutual protection and forgiveness to the Jews even after they broke their covenants with him many times. They were not attacked until it was clearly proven they were traitors during time of war and tried to bring down the prophet, may Allah exalt his mention, and the Muslims at any cost. Retaliation was only to those Jews who had turned traitor and not others.
H. Slaves were common in those days for all nations and tribes. It was Islam that encouraged freeing of the slaves and the great reward from Allah for those who did so. Prophet, may Allah exalt his mention, gave the example of this by freeing slaves and encouraging all of his followers to do the same. Examples include his own servant (who was actually considered like a son to him) Zaid ibn Al Haritha and Bilal the slave who was bought by Abu Bakr only for the purpose of freeing him.
I. While there were many attempts of assassination made on Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention, (most famous was the night that Ali took his place in bed while he and Abu Bakr escaped to Madinah), he did not allow his companions to slaughter any of those who had been involved in these attempts. Proof for this is when they entered Makkah triumphantly and his first words were to command his followers not to harm such and such tribes and so and so families. This was one of the most famous of his acts of forgiveness and humbleness.
J. Military combat was forbidden for the first thirteen years of prophethood. The desert Arabs did not need anyone to tell them how to fight or do combat. They were experts in this area and held feuds amongst tribes that lasted for decades. It was not until the proper method of warfare was instituted by Allah in the Quran, with proper rights and limitations according His Commandments, that any retaliation or combat was sanctioned. Orders from Allah made it clear who was to be attacked, how and when and to what extent fighting could take place.
K. Destruction of infrastructures is absolutely forbidden except when it is ordained by Allah in certain instances and then only according to His Commands.
L. Cursing and invoking evil actually came to the prophet, may Allah exalt his mention, from his enemies, while he would be praying for their guidance. Classic example is that of his journey to At-Taif where the leaders would not even hear him out nor offer so much as the normal courtesy called for and instead they set the children of the street against him, throwing rocks and stones at him until his body was bleeding so much, blood filled his sandals. He was offered revenge by the angel Gabriel, if he would give the command, Allah would cause the surrounding mountains to fall down upon them destroying them all. Instead of cursing them or asking for their destruction, he prayed for them to be guided to worship their Lord alone, without any partners.
M. Prophet Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention, claimed every person who is born is born in a state of ISLAM (submission to God), as a Muslim (MU-Islam means; "one who does ISLAM" i.e.; submits to God's Will and obeys His Commandments). Then as they grow older they begin to distort their faith according to the influence of the prevailing society and their own prejudices.
N. Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention, taught his followers to believe in the God of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, David, Solomon and Jesus, peace be upon them all, and to believe in them as true prophets, messengers and slaves of Almighty Allah. He insisted on ranking all the prophets up at the highest level without any distinction between them.
O. He also taught the Torah (Old Testament), Zaboor (Psalms) and Injeel (Gospel or New Testament) were originally from the very same source as the Quran, from Allah.
P. He prophesied and foretold of events to come and they happened as he had said. He even predicted something from the past that would come true in the future, and it has.
The Quran states pharaoh was drowned in the Red Sea while chasing after Moses and Allah said He would preserve Pharaoh as a sign for the future. Dr. Maurice Bucaille in his book, "Bible, Quran and Science" makes it clear this has happened and the very person of Pharaoh has been discovered in Egypt and is now on display for all to see.
This event took place thousands of years before Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention, and it came true in the last few decades, many centuries after his death.
There has been more written about the prophet Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention, than any other person on earth. He has been praised very high even by famous non-Muslims for centuries. One of the first examples we quote from is from the Encyclopedia Britannica, as it confirms (regarding Muhammad)”
". . . a mass of detail in the early sources shows that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were likewise honest and upright men." (Vol. 12)
Another impressive tribute to Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention is in the very well written work of Michael H. Hart, "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History." He states that the most influential person in all history was Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention, with Jesus second. Examine his actual words:

"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."
Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, page. 33.
While we are reviewing statements from famous non-Muslims about Prophet Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention, consider this:
"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"
Lamartine, HISTOIRE DE LA TURQUIE, Paris, 1854, Vol. II, pp. 276-277.
George Bernard Shaw, a famous writer and non-Muslim says:
"He must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness."
(The Genuine Islam, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936)
K.S. Ramakrishna Rao, an Indian (Hindu) professor of Philosophy, in his booklet "Muhammad the Prophet of Islam" calls him the "perfect model for human life." Professor Ramakrishna Rao explains his point by saying:
"The personality of Muhammad, it is most difficult to get into the whole truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch. What a dramatic succession of picturesque scenes. There is Muhammad the Prophet. There is Muhammad the Warrior; Muhammad the Businessman; Muhammad the Statesman; Muhammad the Orator; Muhammad the Reformer; Muhammad the Refuge of Orphans; Muhammad the Protector of Slaves; Muhammad the Emancipator of Women; Muhammad the Judge; Muhammad the Saint. All in all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is alike a hero."
Mahatma Gandhi, speaking on the character of Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention, says in 'YOUNG INDIA':
"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind... I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."
Thomas Carlyle in his 'Heroes and Hero Worship', was simply amazed as to:
"How one man single handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades."
Diwan Chand Sharma wrote in "The Prophets of the East":
"Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him"
(D.C. Sharma, The Prophets of the East, Calcutta, 1935, pp. 12)
Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention, was nothing more or less than a human being, but he was a man with a noble mission, which was to unite humanity on the worship of ONE and ONLY ONE GOD and to teach them the way to honest and upright living based on the commands of God. He always described himself as, 'A Slave and Messenger of God' and so indeed every action of his proclaimed to be.
Speaking on the aspect of equality before God in Islam, the famous poetess of India, Sarojini Naidu says:
"It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: 'God Alone is Great'... I have been struck over and over again by this indivisible unity of Islam that makes man instinctively a brother."
(S. Naidu, Ideals of Islam, vide Speeches & Writings, Madras, 1918, p. 169)
In the words of Professor Hurgronje:
"The league of nations founded by the prophet of Islam put the principle of international unity and human brotherhood on such universal foundations as to show candle to other nations." He continues, "the fact is that no nation of the world can show a parallel to what Islam has done towards the realization of the idea of the League of Nations."
Edward Gibbon and Simon Ockley, on the profession of ISLAM, writes in "History of the Saracen Empires":
"I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, AND MAHOMET, AN APOSTLE OF GOD' is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honor of the Prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtues; and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion."
(History of the Saracen Empires, London, 1870, p. 54)
Wolfgang Goethe, perhaps the greatest European poet ever, wrote about Prophet Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention. He said:
"He is a prophet and not a poet and therefore his Koran is to be seen as Divine Law and not as a book of a human being, made for education or entertainment."
(Noten und Abhandlungen zum Weststlichen Dvan, WA I, 7, 32)
People do not hesitate to raise to divinity and even make 'gods' out of other individuals whose lives and missions have been lost in legend. Historically speaking, none of these legends achieved even a fraction of what Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention, accomplished. And all his striving was for the sole purpose of uniting mankind for the worship of One God on the codes of moral excellence. Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention, or his followers never at any time claimed that he was a son of God or the God-incarnate or a man with divinity – but he always was and is even today considered as only a Messenger chosen by God.
Today after a lapse of fourteen centuries, the life and teachings of Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention, have survived without the slightest loss, alteration or interpolation. They offer the same undying hope for treating mankind's many ills, which they did when he was alive. This is not a claim of Muhammad’s, may Allah exalt his mention, followers, but the inescapable conclusion forced upon by a critical and unbiased history.