No human has or can have any knowledge of what is outside of nature, the supernatural is meaningless isn't it

Question

St Toad, I disagree with you, human technology is withing the realm of the natural it is a product of human ingenuity. God ghosts pixies heaven hell etc are all outside of nature, they are supernatural and can have no meaning for any human.

tonyintoront..., you say you've experienced life after death... sure you have!

Answer 1

The supernatural doesn't exist.

Answer 2

I have for the past few years worked with the dying (hospice and hospital work, etc.), and I have witnessed things that, if not supernatural (an undefined term), at least don't fit in with nature as known to us.

For some, it's easy to deny the supernatural as being just those things our modern science hasn't discovered yet, which is no real help at all. That simply moves 'science' into the role of the miraculous-- it's saying "'Fact A' can't be explained by science, but I don't believe in anything that can't be explained by science, so therefore, it CAN be explained by science, but just not by any science humans have now." That's an argument with all the intellectual depth of the bumper sticker we occasionally see in the South-- "God Said it. I believe it. That ends it."

Neither the pro-science argument nor the bumper sticker is good science, or religion.

So going back to the original question: If you define everything humans have knowledge of as being 'within nature', then (and only then) the supernatural does indeed become meaningless... but it does so based not on its ontological reality but upon your definition of "natural".

Answer 3

Not necesarilly. Science predicts the existence of many dimensions. So, how do conceptualize the possibility of lif in a dimension beyond our three dimensional existence?

Imagine a piece of paper. Now imagine a race of 2 dimensional stick people living on the paper. You (living in this three dimensional reality) see one of these stick people, and you say, "hey you!" the stick man looks around, but there's no one near him on the page. He thought he heard something, but he's not sure because most of the sound waves were moving perpendicular to his reality and so they were barely perceptible to his 2 dimensional ears. You get right next to his ear, and say, "Hey, I'm talking to you," he jumps at the sound of someone whispering in his ear. You push on the man against the paper. He feels an odd and unnerving sensation for which he has no ability to understand. You press yourself against the page, and a sort of shadow of yourself appears on the page. The 2 dimensional person's perception of you is very much like our perception of what we call ghosts.

It's my belief that eventually science will prove a great many things about the nature of the super natural. They have already measured electro-magnetic disturbences from paranormal phenomenon. I have seen first hand evidence of this.

On a camping trip, we felt a spirit near the bon-fire. We had a ring of 40 tiki-torches around the bonfire. It was a still and windless night, but all the tiki flames near the spirit bent in. One of the people in the circle had a fancy camera. After the campout she went to get the film developed, and all the photos from before the visitor turned out, but after that all the film was blank. She took the camera in to be repaired. The repairman asked if she'd been in a nuclear power plant. All the innards were fried from electromagnetism

Personally, I don't think that the supernatural is meaningless. In fact, I believe it has the potential for holding the greatest answers.

Answer 4

By definition, nothing that exists within nature can be super-natural. Ghosts, ESP, cryptic 'monsters', magick, and non-physical entities are not super-natural since they occur naturally, so to speak. The modern 'occultist' uses the term 'Para-normal' to describe things or events that are rarely witnessed.
I disagree with your assertion. Humans have created many things that exist outside of nature. All of our technology, from chipped pebbles to the Space Shuttle, are all 'super-natural'. Laptops and carved wood are things that are not found in nature. Its true that we created them by altering the natural resources that we found, but we created something that would never grow on a tree or be found in a deposit below the earth.
If you hate mysteries that much that you would like to have them be considered meaningless, than that is up to you. I would prefer to wrangle with questions and mysteries that have been a part of human knowledge ever since we started flinting pebbles.

Answer 5

Nothing is outside of nature; everything is inside nature. It might be in another dimension, but it is still inside nature. Every phenomen has a natural explanation. If we don't have an explantion today, we will have one in the future. Just wait instead of blaming it on the supernatural.

Answer 6

What people refer to as Supernatural tome is absolutly 100% natural. ie; life after death is natural. I know b-c I have had the experience.

Answer 7

Yes.I completely agree with you.Supernatural is just the natural things which we haven't uncovered or understood.So once we unlock all of it THE SUPERNATURAL will become meaningless.
Good luck.

Answer 8

Most of mans quest is for that which is outside of nature.Where in nature do you find the practice of medicine?What animal does surgery?It is unnatural,natural of course meaning of nature.

Answer 9

the supernatural is only an excuse for cowards...they use symbosisms so they may have a source of strength in everyday life

Answer 10

sorry friend i don't agree with u
i have some experience and can bet that there is something called supernatural power. mail me 2 know more.